Why Value Investing is Dead

Updated on

Why Value Investing is Dead By Alex Gavrish, Etalon Capital Ltd; author of “Story Investing”

In light of current market crisis, many ask themselves what is happening to value investing? A decade-long underperformance of value versus general market and growth, recent YTD returns, as well as large losses suffered by Warren Buffett, makes one question: is value investing still a viable investment strategy or is it just plain dead and useless?

Get The Full Series in PDF

Get the entire 10-part series on Charlie Munger in PDF. Save it to your desktop, read it on your tablet, or email to your colleagues.

Q1 2020 hedge fund letters, conferences and more

Is Value Investing Dead?

To answer this question, I propose to turn to a completely unrelated field: modern art.

Despite different objectives, there is an important conceptual connection between the two. Investors often reduce complex processes and problems of markets and economy to smaller, simpler components. They do it because it makes it much easier to do the research. For example, to compare valuation of companies.

Modern artists implement same principles but approach the problem from an opposite direction. They make us start with “simple” and “reduced” elements of visual representation and make us “move” towards more complex ideas. Picasso destroyed the form. Mark Rothko reduced everything to color. Jackson Pollock integrated chance and accident into painting. Because of these “techniques” and the biological mechanisms underlying our visual perception, abstract modern art enacts a powerful influence on us: we become more creative and our imagination starts to function better.

Quantitative investment managers, algorithmic trading and factor-based strategies all aim to achieve the same. They reduce complex processes of economy and the stock market, to a simple formula or model.

Superstar Investor Portfolios

Researchers from the investment management firm AQR performed a quantitative analysis of famous investors: Warren Buffett, George Soros, Peter Lynch. They argue that all of these “superstar” investor portfolios have exposure to a range of factors. The implicit idea here is that if we will reverse engineer their approach and find these factor exposures we can, without much effort, replicate it and achieve similar results.

The truth is that both “superstar” investors, as well as artists, do not really start from a reduced model. The artists force us to perceive art with the help of a reduced model, and their genius lies partially in the ability to create and develop one, but technique and model itself are the means, not an end. Artists themselves do not start from it. And they do not end with it. Otherwise, their paintings would not be worth tens of millions of dollars.

They start from a different place: from a complex and unique vision of the world. From the depth and strength of feelings they want to share with us. From philosophical, religious, or cultural concepts they want us to understand. They just feel it is extremely hard, if not impossible, to relay their vision without a reduced and simplified form. But it remains our task to take it as a starting point and move to deeper insights.

David Bohm, an American scientist who has been described as one of the most significant theoretical physicists of the 20th century, once explained this idea well:

“A good picture is not only an integral whole, but even more, it achieves this wholeness by expressing something having universal significance. In other words, while it is something specific, particular, limited in its existence, etc., its relationships to its parts are rich enough and of the right character to suggest the universe and its relationships to its parts. Thus, it is “universal” in the sense that somehow its structure reflects that of the universe. In other words, it makes a kind of “world in itself”.

Higher Values Will Save The World

Once I watched an interview with Ilya Kabakov, a famous conceptual artist. He was asked if art will save the world. His answer was that it is not art, but the culture that will save the world. By culture, he meant a broader set of higher values. If art is part of such culture then, of course, it will fulfill its mission and role in saving the world.

This attitude is like the main idea of a short book by Leo Tolstoy “What Is Art”. Tolstoy starts the book by changing the question. To know what good and bad art is, we should ask not so much “What is art?” but more “What the art is for?”

Similarly, it is so with great investors. To learn something from them, we should focus not so much on factors underlying their investments but more on what stands behind these factors. What values they transmit? What broader life or investment philosophy investors adhere to when investing? And what risk management objectives they aim to achieve? What complex reality do they try to react to by making certain investment decisions?

So, at the end of the day, do investors remember that reductionist model is only a tool? Any reductionist model contains certain aspects of truth. But it does not capture complex reality entirely. Markets and economy are dynamic, social processes and objective reality constantly changes and evolves. So, when one adopts a religiously “fixed” attitude to following these models, achievement of satisfactory results becomes impossible.

Analysing Numbers To Death

Many believe that making good investments requires excellent skills in the analysis of financial accounting statements, building complex and detailed valuation models, forecasting future profitability of companies and otherwise analysing numbers “to death”.

But according to one of the best investment managers of the 20th century, Peter Lynch of Fidelity Investment’s Magellan Fund – which achieved a 29% annual return over thirteen years’ period between 1977 and 1990, good investing is about something else:

“Investing in stocks is an art, not science, and people who’ve been trained to rigidly quantify everything have a big disadvantage”

Contrast this with the art world. Artists themselves attest that it is not their “models” and “techniques” which are key but the purpose, meaning and objectives they help to realize. For instance, Mark Rothko, generally identified as an abstract expressionist, did not view himself as one:

“I’m not an abstractionist. I am not interested in the relationship of color or form or anything else. I’m interested only in expressing basic human emotions: tragedy, ecstasy, doom, and so on”

In other words, a simple model is not enough to construct the whole picture. A more creative, more flexible approach is required. Jerome Bruner, a famous cognitive psychologist, explains that narrative mode of thinking leads to conclusions not about certain absolute truths, but about varying perspectives that can be constructed to make experience comprehensible. By telling stories, we formulate these different perspectives.

It is not a coincidence that most famous investors are also good writers. They turn to writing for many reasons, but one of the most important ones is that writing allows them to transform analytical information into human, comprehensible format that is flexible and allows alternative perspectives and explanations.

Value investing dead? Conclusion

Strictly analytical approach to investment management does not provide us tools for dealing with uncertainty. The closed and fixed form of analytics leaves no place for imagination. And without imagination, we are just not capable of fathoming uncertainty, fathoming the future.

Isaac Bashevis Singer, Nobel Prize laureate in literature said:

“A story to me means a plot where there is some surprise. Because that is how life is - full of surprises”

The same holds true for investing, because companies, markets, and economy by their very nature are social processes. And when there are humans involved, there will always be surprises. In investing, you cannot escape them. They will arise either because your decision was made with incomplete information or just because that is how life and business are.

Current market crisis provides investors an opportunity to learn an importance lesson. One has to react to objective reality, leave space in the decision-making process for imagination, uncertainty, and exercise flexibility. We cannot just hide behind a value or growth index or ETF. It is still only a model; it does not capture the whole of complex reality.

Is Value Investing Dead? The Buffett Value Way Will Never Die

Updated on

What is value investing and is value investing dead? Whether value investing is dead depends on the definition you have. If you look at so called value investing metrics, it is certainly dead because you invest by looking into the rear view mirror. If you take Warren Buffett‘s definition of value investing based on intrinsic value and a margin of safety, value investing is the best way to invest now, in 2020 and beyond. Modern value investing will work forever and will deliver the best investment returns!

Value Investing Is Dead! But The Warren Buffett Value Investing Way Will Never Die

Get The Full Warren Buffett Series in PDF

Get the entire 10-part series on Warren Buffett in PDF. Save it to your desktop, read it on your tablet, or email to your colleagues

Q3 2019 hedge fund letters, conferences and more

Transcript

Good day fellow investors. Over the past years, the message has been clear value investing is dead. I agree especially when they define it as it is usually defined, low price earnings, low price to book, low price to cash flows. However, there is a different definition of value investing that has worked since ever and will work forever. And that is the definition I'm going to give you to really put value investing what is we can call it modern value investing that will work forever, no matter that old value investing might be dead.

Let me give an explanation of value investing all value investing, new value investing, what are the key factors to focus if you want to win when investing that's really us the truth everlasting value investing, the general environment, underperforming, over performing that is always talked in the media and then at the end of the video you will know exactly what to focus on how to focus, how to invest, where to invest, that will bring you two extremely good investing returns over your lifetime. You're not investing for the next two, three years, or in this hot stock in this hot trend.

No, that's not going to bring you to returns. You have to find things that will work forever. And this is what you're going to get in this video.

Value stock performance

So is value investing dead? Well, value investing has been usually defined defined as low price to book value, low price earnings ratios and low price to cash flow ratios. When you defined things like that, when you define things and when you look at investments by looking into a rearview mirror, because all that data price earnings, price to cash flow looks in the rearview mirror, then it's certainly dead because investing is about what's going to happen next, not what happened in the past.

So if we look at many value investing definitions from free cash flow to enterprise value, book value to price earnings yield, sales to price, forward earnings to price, we can see big variations in related returns over 15 years book value to price over the last 15 years delivered 16% free cash flow to enterprise value delivered 220%.

So does this mean free cash flow to enterprise value works and book value to price doesn't work? No. It's simply that sometimes something works something something else this is just the statistics, statistics looking in the rearview mirror does not relevant for long term investors.

Then no one measure of value has consistently performed better than others some there have been price to book value has done good price to earnings. Other times price to cash flows has done better over the last year's price to book value did really, really bad, a little bit better price to earnings. So you never know what's going to work?

Value investing dead?

Well, in general value stocks again defined as usual defined as Benjamin Graham discussed in his book have performed terribly over the last 10 years. If we look at the rest of 3000 value versus the Russell 3000 growth index, value stocks are up 150% while growth stocks are up what 350% so a huge difference and that's why people are saying okay, value stocks are dead. If we look at the vanguard growth versus value index funds, we can see that in the 2000s value was over performing.

But since the 2008 crisis venues really, really underperforming, I'll bet a little bit better than in the Russell. So again, question about is how they measure it, then what is value investing in? Is it dead? As I said, Yes, value investing, if you take a fixed measure based on the past will always be dead because you never know what will work better what will work worse over the next five to 10 years.

It's all about sentiment statistics. What you need is something that you can rely all the time on. And that's something there are three core things when it comes to value investing. The first thing is cash flow, intrinsic value, Warren Buffett defines value investing by looking at the intrinsic value of a business and then trying to buy it below that intrinsic value. How does he define intrinsic value?

Leave a Comment