CNBC Excerpts: Avenue Capital Chairman and CEO Marc Lasry Speaks with CNBC’s Scott Wapner on CNBC’s “Fast Money Halftime Report” Today
WHEN: Today, Friday, November 15, 2019
WHERE: CNBC’s “Fast Money Halftime Report”
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The following are excerpts from the unofficial transcript of a CNBC interview with Avenue Capital Chairman and CEO Marc Lasry and CNBC’s Scott Wapner on CNBC’s “Fast Money Halftime Report” (M-F 12PM – 1PM) today, Friday, November 15th. The following are links to video from the interview on CNBC.com:
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Marc Lasry on WeWork, Debt:
Yeah we are. Yep. We’re looking at it. We're trying to understand exactly where you are in the capital structure under the new deal. So, that is the half a billion of debt that's outstanding. The problem with it is you can end up having debt come right on top of you. And if that ends up happening, all of a sudden where you were the senior unsecured holder, you'll have a couple billion ahead of you. And therefore, I think that's when you're going to have issues.
Marc Lasry on WeWork, Path to Profitability:
It doesn’t make a difference where you are in the capital structure. If you're losing billions of dollars, that value is going to go away. Right. So for us, what we want to understand is, how are you turning this thing around? And where is it going in? And is there a path to profitability? Because if there isn't, then everything's going to lose their money.
Marc Lasry on Energy Opportunity:
I think there's a huge amount of opportunity. Because you can buy these companies at 2 to 3 times cash flow today. And the reason you can is because the market is saying I want nothing to do with energy. I don't care how cheap it is. I think it's just -- it's going to get lower and lower. So, I think the challenge in 2020 is, you're going to have a number of these opportunities--who are going to be the winners?
Marc Lasry on Warrants:
For us on the debt side, you're really buying debt somewhere around 60, 70 cents. In some of these situations, sometimes we're able to get warrants. It's more – it’s happening much more in Europe. It doesn't really happen here in the United States. Here the markets are too liquid. It's hard for us to do something like that. Where we're making quite a bit of money is going to be much more in Europe and much more in Asia.
Marc Lasry on China Lending:
We'll lend people money in China. You know, there's a company that we've ended up investing that's going public, I think next week. They're one of the largest debt collection companies in China. That company itself has seen growth of 100% per year for the last three or four years. So there’s huge – it’s YX. I mean, there's these huge companies that you can do extremely well.
Marc Lasry on Reputation:
I think you absolutely take advantage of that. Because you're going to say, look, we're going to use our reputation to help you. Us putting money here is beneficial. It's like Blackstone doing it. It’s like any of these other firms.
JOSH BROWN: That's why you get the warrants and the upside on the --
MARC LASRY: That's exactly why, yes.