The India – Pakistan Conflict And An Alternative To Gandhi

The India – Pakistan Conflict And An Alternative To Gandhi

The India – Pakistan Conflict And An Alternative To Gandhi by Kaisa Stucke of Confluence Investment Management

Shortly after being elected into office last year, the new Indian Prime Minister, Narendra Modi, visited a memorial for Veer Savarkar, an Indian independence fighter, praising his lifetime of “tireless efforts toward the regeneration of our motherland.” On its surface the move seems to be nothing out of the ordinary; however, the historical context of Savarkar as the father of the Hindu nationalist radicalism movement makes it somewhat controversial and a worry for the country’s religious minorities. Savarkar was a contemporary of Mahatma Gandhi, although the two men took radically different views on fighting for Indian independence. As is well known, Gandhi supported the peaceful non-compliance movement, and his ideology welcomed all the religions of India. History is written by the victors thus Savarkar and his take on the struggle for independence have not received widespread attention. Savarkar argued for a more aggressive fight against the British and had strong views that India should be 100% Hindu. The Hindu radicalism movement is more significant than is generally recognized and is currently enjoying a revival.

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Prime Minister Modi has been in power for a year now. Although he represents the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), which is considered to be the Hindu nationalist party, he was elected on the promise of economic reform, including infrastructure spending and labor laws. It is too early to judge his economic effectiveness on a national scale, but he has a successful track record as the former head of the Gujarat region. He is well-liked by voters, but he makes minorities very nervous as evidenced by the large-scale, religion-based riots that took place under his leadership in the Gujarat region. He was cleared of any wrongdoing in connection with the riots, and even received the support of some minority leaders during his campaign for his economic liberalization aptitude. It does not help that some members of his party incite minority discrimination. So far, Modi has been conspicuously silent in response to the inflammatory rhetoric from his party, which leaves observers wondering if he, in fact, agrees with it or is too weak of a leader to confront it.

There is no denying that Indian politics have been chiefly molded based on Gandhi’s peaceful non-compliance movement, which emphasizes equal acceptance of all religions within India. It was a goal of the founders of the modern state of India to form a multi-religious constitution. However, we could see a return to more Hindu-centric policies under the current trends. This week, we will look at the resurgence of the Hindu nationalist movement. We will start by briefly describing the political history of independent India, looking at Gandhi and Savarkar’s conflicting ideals. Next, we will look at contemporary politics and explore the Hindu movement and its likely forms under Modi’s rule. As always, we will conclude with market ramifications, both within India and for international markets, in general.

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The British Rule

The British Empire ruled India for 150 years before it gained its independence in 1947. The British used a “divide and conquer” method to play different power centers against each other. The British gave power to different religious groups and castes such that they would always need outside help to stay in control. After independence, the region was partitioned into India and Pakistan. Ever since, the two countries have been in near-constant conflict over religion as India is majority Hindu, while Pakistan is majority Muslim. The two countries have also fought over Kashmir, a region that both claim as their own.


India is majority Hindu, slightly less than 80% according to the most recent census. Although this number is high, it has fallen as the chart below shows. Islam represents the second largest group at almost 15%, and its proportion has grown rapidly. Christianity is a third religious group at less than 3%. Sikhism, a monotheistic religion mostly practiced in the northern regions, follows closely behind Christianity. We note that Sikhism has not received criticism from Hindu nationalists and the group is well integrated and respected within society as it is also indigenous to the country. Two prior PMs have been Sikhs. All other groups represent less than 1.0% of the population.

 India - Pakistan Conflict

The radical Hindu nationalist movement’s main goal is to return India to a land of Hindus, reducing the proportion of supporters of other religions. The argument goes that, historically, the only religion native to the Hindus Valley was Hindu. Other religions were all introduced through outside influences, and natives were converted either by sword or enticements. For example, Mughal invasions introduced Islam and the Hindu population was converted by threat. On the other hand, Christian conversions occurred by inducements, with missionaries offering schooling and other benefits to converts. As a side note, Mother Theresa, who worked with the Indian poor, would be included in this group of Christians attempting conversion of Hindus with incentives. A widely held belief by Hindu radicals is that Muslims and Christians are foreigners whose goal is to make Hindus a minority in their own country. Some radical groups have suggested that Hindu women should have at least a handful of kids in order to keep up with the Muslim birthrate. Another idea that has received attention is that of “Love Jihad,” in which Muslim men marry young Hindu women by feigning love in order to convert them to Islam. At the same time, reports have surfaced over recent years of Hindu radical groups staging “homecoming” parties in poorer rural areas, whereby they convert Muslims and Christians back to Hinduism. All these reports are part of politics of fear to gain wider support for the group’s cause. In an age-old political stunt, the radicals on both sides can point to examples of extreme behavior on the other side to re-energize the party’s majority. For example, the Hindu radicals can point to “Love Jihad” to gain support for their fight against minorities in general.

Aggression between religious groups has become more frequent and more severe over the past decade, and usually occurs between the Hindu majority and Muslim minority. As mentioned before, Modi’s political career has been shadowed by accusations of allowing Muslim-Hindu violence to persist. In February 2002, a train carrying Hindu pilgrims was set on fire in Modi’s state of Gujarat. This incident was seen as an attack on Hindus and sparked anti-Muslim riots across the region. Some analysts have indicated that a high level of state involvement was suspected in the incident. Modi was cleared of initiating the violence, while other members of the administration were accused of giving the rioters lists of Muslim-owned properties. One member of the BJP associated with Modi was sentenced to 28 years in prison.

This violence clashes with the view of a harmonious, multi-religion India envisioned by Gandhi.

“An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.”

Gandhi, widely considered the “father of India’s independence,” championed inclusive and tolerant policies for all religions. He was born into a privileged-caste Hindu family, with thoughts of becoming a lawyer. He studied in India and London, eventually working in South Africa for two decades. Upon his return to India in 1916, Gandhi developed the practice of peaceful, civil non-compliance. Gaining political popularity, he campaigned for Indians to use non-compliance to force the British Empire to grant India its independence. For example, when Britain imposed a tax on salt, he led a 250-mile march to the sea to collect his own salt. A series of protests led to Gandhi’s multiple arrests and prison terms. WWII forced Britain to focus more on Europe, spending fewer resources on governing India. The rising dissatisfaction of the Indian population required more resources to maintain the country. Domestic support of independence also gained ground leading up to WWII as Gandhi argued that Indians should not have to go to war for British sovereignty while their own country was subjugated. This led to widespread riots, and another imprisonment for Gandhi. Once again, he emerged and eventually led the country to independence in 1947.

Britain proposed to partition the British-led India into a Hindu India and a Muslim Pakistan. Gandhi opposed the proposal, arguing for a unified, multi-religion India. However, out of political necessity, his party accepted the terms of the partition. Although many Indians opposed granting Pakistan a restitution package for lost territories, Gandhi vehemently insisted on paying restitutions. In fact, he staged a hunger strike in support of the package. He succeeded in finalizing a restitution to Pakistan, but this led many Hindu radicals to view it as traitorous behavior to Indians. The Hindu nationals feared (with good reason) that Pakistan would use the restitution money to arm itself to fight India.

Gandhi was assassinated by a group of radicals who supported the Hindu nationalist movement in 1948, a year after India’s independence was finalized. The Hindu nationalist movement had long opposed Gandhi on the basis of his inclusive religion approach. In fact, the group had made several assassination attempts on Gandhi’s life. Savarkar’s Hindu nationalist movement was associated with the militant group that was found guilty of the assassination, with some analysts speculating that Savarkar was the one who provided the militants with weapons for the assassination. However, Savarkar was acquitted of the charges.

Following Gandhi’s assassination, the Hindu nationalist movement lost popular support, especially in the urban regions. Gandhi’s legacy left a huge footprint on the Indian political landscape and the Gandhi-Nehru political dynasty has been in power via its Indian National Congress Party (the Congress Party) for 49 years out of the 68 years of Indian independence. However, Savarkar’s Hindu nationalist movement has maintained popularity in the rural areas. For example, one wing of the movement remains very involved with youth education and physical training programs. These training programs are sometimes accused of incubating militant radicals and provoking animosity toward other religions. From the age of eight, Modi took part in the Hindu nationalist education and physical training opportunities.

Like Gandhi, Savarkar was also born into a privileged caste and received his education in India and London. According to reports, the two men met as law students in London and developed a mutual animosity. Apparently, Savarkar thought that Gandhi’s soft power would never hold up to the might of the British in India. One of the more entertaining articles on the subject comes from The Economist titled, “The man who thought Gandhi a sissy.”1 In contrast to Gandhi, Savarkar thought that the Indian identity was inseparable from the Hindu identity. He also supported fighting the British via military methods of sabotage, which he apparently learned from Russian revolutionaries. He was imprisoned and sentenced to life for his role in the assassination of a British magistrate. While in prison, he founded the Hindu culture-centric ideology, which was one of the founding principles of the Hindu nationalist movement. In his work, he proposed that Hindus should militantly defend their claims of religious and cultural supremacy over Indian Muslims.

The Hindu Nationalist Movement

Modi and the BJP, in general, follow the ideology of “integral humanism.” This ideology was first described by an Indian writer in 1965. It is an ideology that rejects both communism and capitalism, trying to find a market philosophy that would fit Indian society. The writer argued that Western philosophy was not appropriate for India. Accordingly, Indian society is more concerned about the wellbeing of the whole person, and less concerned with materialism and how wealth is distributed. This ideology is deeply rooted in Hinduism. Over time, the party has campaigned on the platform of improving living standards and economic prosperity through the Hindu paradigm.

The BJP, which translates to Indian People’s Party, was formed in 1951 partially as a counter-reaction to the ruling Congress Party’s secular politics. The Congress Party’s policies were perceived to be too appeasing to the minorities, especially Muslims and Pakistanis. The BJP wanted to preserve Hindu culture, not necessarily in its religious form but more in its cultural form. A BJP official has contrasted Indian secularism to European secularism. He said that Indian “positive secularism” attempts to treat all religions as equal, while European secularism is independent of religion. It remains to be seen how “equal” will be defined, but we doubt it will be viewed as fair by everybody.

The Indian constitution introduced in 1949 guarantees “freedom of conscience” and the right to “free profession, practice and propagation” of religion. However, the ruling BJP’s historic view of India belonging to only Hindus is at odds with the constitutional idea of equal religious rights.

Modi’s Agenda

Before becoming prime minister, Modi promised prosperity to all, regardless of religious background. Even in office his first priority has been economic prosperity, while he has remained silent in response to the radical Hindu rhetoric used by his party. It is clear that Modi has attempted to highlight his economic reform efforts, while somewhat distancing himself from the party. He relies on his personal political influence and charisma when relating to the electorate, and prefers to communicate with the voters directly via Twitter, rather than use his party as the intermediary. In general, he prefers to work with a small number of close allies, many of whom have worked with him for decades, rather than decentralize power via a strong team approach.

This could be a clever political tactic, since he has to weave a delicate balance to maintain the support of his Hindu nationalist party, but also not agitate the minorities to maintain his wider political appeal. Maintaining a tight grip on power could help him preserve support from both sides. On the flip side, why does his BJP party tolerate a PM that does not vocally support its agenda? Even the party has to admit that Modi’s persona won the elections, so given its lack of strong alternative candidates, they may have to allow for Modi to seem accommodating. It is clear from Modi’s prior interviews that he and his party agree on the economically liberal but socially conservative Hindu-centric ideology. Although we don’t know for sure how socially radical Modi is willing to be, it seems that he and his party may not agree on the prioritization and implementation of the Hindu-centric policies.

We believe that the societal outcome of this development depends on the success of implementing Modi’s economic objectives. Modi is first and foremost interested in economic reform and growth. If he is able to improve living standards, the societal discord is likely to remain under control. However, if Modi’s economic reforms fail, he is likely to lose political influence and he may have to fall back on supporting religious exclusion in order to stay in power. The Indian voters, especially the young, treat their politicians as service providers. If the service does not meet expectations, they swiftly switch their favorites. Modi’s inactivity on reining in the Hindu radicalism and the slow pace of economic reform has already swayed some voters toward smaller regional parties.


Given the possible binary outcome of domestic politics, the market ramifications are also distinct. Economic reform, especially slashing corruption and easing bureaucracy, legal system improvements, including simplifying labor laws, and infrastructure spending could boost India’s economic growth and encourage foreign investment. Improving growth would not only have domestic benefits, but would also balance the weakening growth from China in the international markets. Foreign investors would like to see a more transparent tax code (India has a habit of imposing unfair tax practices) and eliminating foreign investment restrictions (currently, foreign investors are only allowed to invest in a limited number of industries).

If Modi’s economic reforms are either not implemented or fail to result in economic growth, we could see further societal splintering, including an increasing number of religion-based clashes. This would further deteriorate confidence in the Indian markets. The fighting may also provoke militarization of the India-Pakistan conflict.

An early indication for the direction of these developments would be whether Modi receives approval for his economic agenda through the parliament, and if economic growth escalates as a result.

Kaisa Stucke

June 15, 2015

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  1. hey terrorist osama saddam shut the fu4ck up there are drones pointing at you terrorists which terror group u belong to u filthy stinking terrorist do u live in cave jacking off.. ur women are ugly no need to keep them in burkhas hahaha where ai sur military hiding other trrorists i smullah omar hiding in some women butrkha? hahaha those baluchs hate u hahaha what a filthy people these pakis are 1000 dying every week in heat no electricity no water no barf hahahaha and their all time conqueror musharff is in house arrest hahaha the conqueror of kargil hahaha look at his face he is old hag hahaha baluck murdering paki army paki army murdering baluch sunni murdering shia sipahi sahiba pastun murdering mohajir mohajir doing same punjabi bossing over others other shating punjabi hahaha what mess surrounded by hostile enemies India and Iran and hey add aghanistan too hahaha all enemies and their best friend is communist China or is it north korea hahaha hahaha why dont u eat pork with chinaman and make friendship stronger hahaha pigs are better then u pakis hahaha

  2. LOL….All your illusions and stories are good just for your dirty Indian fellows…..)))
    Your stories will definitely assume the world but first you improve your country ranking in top 10 list of rapist countries…..)))
    Widows are burnt with their husband in your tradition of SATI…what is that you bloody false claimer of development…???
    Besides that also improve your country at humanitarian level as there are casts which according to you are UN-touchable….))) Nothing happen like that in any part of world.
    Stop using roads and open fields as toilets and build some toilets in India….))) The UN-hygienic environment has made you to talk such foolish stories…. )))
    There are 30% Indians which are below poverty line (means unable to arrange for 2 time meal) 30% means double than the Pak total population…use your dirty mind and language for their development..)))
    You Indians, have put all your efforts, both at Govt level and local level, to malign Pak…)))
    First correct your own home and then comment at Pakistan (The miracle which happened despite your jealousies and efforts to stop its creation) and surviving since 1947.
    Now keep jealousying and continue your rubbish self created stories for Pak…We take it as “My foot”

  3. hey paki you angry? bloody wtf? you slave of british hahaha you paki burn christians all the time, it is in news you kidnap young christian hindo girls threaten their parents , rape the girls convert them to religion of peace..hahaha everyone knows you pakis no use pretending hahaha you do marry your cousins that is incest 50 year old founder making out with 9 year old girl? that is considered rape…religion of incest and rape 50 year old marrying young girls…you do love to kidap girls of other religion convert them , threaten their non muslim parents look who is talking are you hafeez sayed? hey wait that terrorist has inaam on his head but is protected by your military no use pretending boy every person in world knows paki = terrorist or terrorist supporter… hahaha

  4. You points are ill-conceived. Religion is not that important. in my opinion. The same God that made the Hindu, also made the Christian, Muslim, Jew, Buddhist, and the nonbeliever. Hindus believe that they have to protect their fellow Hindu neighbors from conversions to Islam, Christianity, etc. As far as I am concerned, my religious values are between me and my God. When I see white Americans who have converted to Hari-Krishnas, am I offended? Absolutely not. I am happy that they found a religion they are happy with. As a Christian, I have no interest in protecting my fellow Christians from other religions. They should do what is in their best interests. People, such as you, believe that you alone have all the answers about God and religion. Thus, you have a sense of duty to protect Hinduism from other religions. In essence, what you are saying is that your fellow Hindus are too stupid to decide for themselves what religion they should follow. I have no such burden.

  5. All world…you call your bloody opinion “All World”. Without evidence its easy to say any thing. You are big idiot than I thought. You are using word “Paki” and using ruff language. Its a big concern to me, a discussion is done with educated and mannered people, you are far below from these standards, first grow up and then start discussion with any one. All you comments proved that you are from a toilet-less nation where women are raped even in buses, schools, churches and roads. I should not expect manners from you.

  6. hahaha all world despises you yet you delusional deceptive pakis pretend to be saints hahaha everyone knows you hid bin laden , a paki planned 9/11, paki did mumbai attacks paki train terrorists hahaha all people in world say a paki equals terrorist hahaha and correctly so ….

  7. hahaha racist you are african but don’t want to be called as such because you hate african people hahaha totally racist it is much hotter in my city and yet i am very light skinned your bs about equator is bs hahaha you do really despise africans don’t you despite being of the same race hahaha you are racist people I know since long time…haha krishna is blue and there are people with blue skin i bet you didn’t know that hahaha dravidians are africans , their skin color is black many have broad nose, nappy hair, thick lips, they are just african people with straight hair stop lying , why do you lie the obvious facts? and you racist dont go using the N word you are indeed racist hahaha I knew dravidians are racists very sad

  8. Is this what your religion teaches you? Such vile and hatred for your fellow man. I’ll pray that God gives you the wisdom and love that you surely lack. Clearly you lack peace and understanding in your faith.

  9. That is a shallow understanding of race. As Indians, we come in a wide assortment of colors, from white skin to black skin. It is not unusual for people within the same family, such as siblings, with one being very fair and another being dark. Skin color is not based on race but pigmentation. Look at Europeans for example, White races that live in northern Europe, like Sweden, have very white skin and blonde hair. Races that live closer to the Mediterranean, and closer to the equator, have darker skins, such as Spanish, Italians, Greeks. Yet, they are all Caucasians racially. You believe that South Indians are Negros from Africa, but there is no proof of that. There are fair skinned and dark skinned Dravidians. One reason is Dravidians live along the equator, where it if hotter. Affluent Dravidians that work inside and away from the sun, tend to be lighter in skin tone. Poorer people that work in the field, that are exposed to the sun all day, every day, have dark skin. That does not make them Africans. Even Krishna is noted as being so black, he is depicted as being blue in color. What you seem to be suggesting is that Krishna and Hinduism is of African origin. The reason why North Indians have lighter skin is they are the offspring of foreign invaders, including the Greeks, Persians, Arabs, etc. They are not pure to the Indian soil as the Dravidians. Race is more than pigmentation. Dravidians do not have Negro features, like broad nose, nappy hair, thick lips, etc. Thus, Dravidians are not Negros.

  10. Once you go down this path of questioning every religious account, such as Apostle Thomas being in India, then you can question every religious belief. Religion is not based on provable facts, but faith. Do I know if Thomas was in India? No, no more than I know that Jesus was the son of God. It is a question of faith and belief.
    The difference between you and I is this. I do not care what someone else believes or does not believe. I don’t care if my neighbor is an atheist. There are fanatics in the world that believe that their religion is superior to other religions. Thus, they feel they have to “defend” it. Religion is between one person’s belief in a greater power and how to worship that power. A rational person can believe in God and accept that the same God that created the Hindu, also created the Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, Jew, and the nonbeliever. People that want to defend against other beliefs are fascists that want to impose their beliefs and views on the entire community. What difference does it make to you what I believe in or don’t believe in? How is my belief a threat to you? These are intellectually honest questions one must ask themselves. People like you that feel they need to “defend” their religion are dangerous, which leads to violence and intimidation of others. Clearly that can’t be a religious value, under any religion.

  11. @mastmullah:
    You at the end proved to be an UN-civlized duffer person. I talked you with manners but you are crossing limits and misbehaving. I can use more ruff language than you but I will not, there is a difference between you people and us, and that will remain.
    I don’t need to prove you any thing, go and enjoy the illusion for being superior than Pakistan.)))

  12. The Saint Thomas Christians, also called Syrian christians or Nasrani, is a community of Christians from Kerala, They believe st. Thomas came to India in 1st century and died in India. However, there is no historical evidence that St. Thomas died in India. The assertion that the appellation “St. Thomas” Christians is used in all parts of India and imparts an antiquity, is simply not true. Syrian Christians were not called St. Thomas Christians until after the fourteenth century and that too by Roman Catholic missionaries in Malabar. some historians have seriously doubted the very existence of an apostle named Thomas. Distinguished scholars like R. Garbe, A. Harnack and L. de la Vallee-Poussin have denied credibility to the Acts of Thomas, an apocryphal work on which the whole story is based. Some others, who accept the fourth century Catholic tradition about the travels of St. Thomas, point to the lack of evidence that he ever went east beyond Ethiopia and Arabia Felix. The confusion, according to them, has arisen because the ancient geographers often mistook these two countries for India. There are many books written by Indian author that debunk whole myth of st. Thomas, the basis of Indian xianity’s antiquity.

    Where ever Hindus have become weak in practicing Hinduism, what has flourished in such regions is Islam, xianity, communism and assorted statist ideologies – The reason you do not see any communal tension in such regions is because non-Hindus have essentially neutralized Hinduism and Hinduism is not seen worth fighting for or defending against expansion of other theologies and ideologies.

  13. Pakistan army officers got away without being tried for genocide in 1971: Colonel Anil Athale (retd) identifies India’s three blunders in that war.

    The recognition India gave the ‘Kashmir dispute’ in the Simla Agreement was a blunder.
    On the western front, much of the military effort was concentrated in the plains sector in Punjab, gains that had to be given up. On the other hand, an excellent opportunity to consolidate Kashmir or liberate Pak-occupied area was wasted.
    If India had plans to retain the captured territory in Jammu and Kashmir a major thrust towards Skardu or Gilgit could have threatened the land access between Pakistan and China.
    As India faces a Sino-Pak joint military threat in the north, one can only wonder the effect this blunder has had. It is difficult to blame the military leadership for this as in retrospect it appears that the decision to retain gains in Kashmir was a ‘spur of the moment after thought.’

    It is amazing to note the cavalier manner in which issues of war and peace continue to be dealt in independent India.

    The second blunder was the explicit recognition that India gave to the ‘Kashmir dispute’ in the Simla Agreement.

    Zulfikar Ali Bhutto came to Simla as the head of a defeated nation with nothing to bargain. 93,000 Pakistani prisoners were in India and the tehsil of Shakargarh as well as large tracts of desert were under Indian occupation.

    The Pakistani State itself was tottering and the only card Bhutto had was to play on the Indian need to have a viable Pakistan survive. Using his weakness dexterously, Bhutto made sure that India could never drive a hard bargain.

    All that Pakistan conceded at Simla was that it would not use force to solve the Kashmir problem and it would deal with the issue bilaterally. It is indeed astonishing that a militarily weak and defeated nation promising ‘non use of force’ against another country ten times its size, being seen as a concession.

  14. hahaha paki is mastermind of treachery deception lying is in blood the mongrels bowing to arab masters hahaha everyone knows paki who refused to accept mujibur rehman as realleader of pakiland because he was bengali and paki thinks as mongrel children of thousand fathers paki is better haha so paki murdered millions of bengali muslims dragged bengali hindo out of their homes murdered them and raped the women so india had to stop the genocide hahaha but the paki brain so so full of lies it will keep lying until dead hahaha it is paki who broke up paki not Indian

  15. Paki are on drugs hahaha delusional you are pariahs of the world everyone in world knows that you are headquarters of world terrorists keep pretending it is not working what a filthy lying terrorists country hahaha chuloo bhar paani mein dub mar tumara muhpar kaalak puthe hue hae hahaha

  16. you are still a chils even if you deny it. there are anthropological facts you don’t understand; it is nonsense to argue.

  17. @anjanmel:disqus
    First you ask such question to your govt and politicians, what was the need felt by Mr.Modi, on Bangladesh tour, when he claimed his and other millions Indian role in breaking Pak in 1971?

  18. Claim is easy to make but difficult to prove. What all the world think about us is not depend upon “Mr.mastmullah” opinion. Action speaks louder than words. Islam is fastest growing religion of world, statistics prove this. If some one using name of Islam and doing some thing bad, it does not mean whole Islam is bad.
    As for as Pakistan is concern, people like you is so much biased, they are blind and deaf when any thing relates to Pakistan. Nothing can appease people like you about Pakistan. Your biased behavior have started an endless discussion which is irrelevant to article here.

  19. dravidia means black skin means african you are africans now now don’t be racist why do you deny your race, your looks? i can’t think anything else except that you are ashamed to be called african. what is wrong with being black? that is racism.i think you deny the obvious because you are racist and hate blacks that is ironic since dravidians are africans too now now don’t deny christian missionaries gave benefits and goods all to convert people only the greedy want to sell their soul for this. they are eve doing this now conversion is the goal.

  20. mooslim what imooslim arab only, rest are just losers having had to be forced or raped to accept mooslim from 20 percent hindo now peuki is only 1 percent hindoo women daily kidanapped by mooslim forced to accept mooslim raped parents threatened news every day in pakai newspapers mooslim equals terrorist

  21. raandiya why peuki divide occupied kashmir they got with afghan help? why peuki gave kashmir to china? why you not eat pork with chinaman your friend and make friendship

  22. lol at the shi3tty lying mind of a pakistani you all muslims are same low lives murdering each other look at peukiland sunni murdering shia ahamadi punjabi murdering sindhi pashtun murdering mohajir murdering n=benazir bhutto taliban murdering children you shetlering terrorist bin laden you helping taliban mullah omar you terrorizing afghanistan attacking indian consulates you freeing mumbai murderer masterminds terrorists freely walking in your filthy cities you attacking nato then taking beggar money from amerika you are just extremists everyone knows in the world about you people. west dont like muslims for good reasons

  23. @mastmullah:disqus
    You have not put any logical comment. Read the article and try to understand what the writer is trying to say. Your all comments do not relate with article.

  24. i dont know whey anyone says hindus buddhists sikhs are same as pakistani because they are not pakistani has arab iranian mongol turk afghan central asian iraqi syrian blood in them and pakistani religion god lives in middle east in arabia while indian gods come from india a pakistani bows to saudi arabia but hindoo buddhist does not. a pakistani is slave of arab but hindoo buddhist is not pakistani is known all over world as supporter of extremism but hindoo buddhist is not a pakistani works in manual jobs in western country but hindoo buddhist at least Indian works mostly white collar jobs.

  25. indians dont have to do 1 thing muslims are murdering muslims themselves while europeans and americans are making cartoons of muhammad you got enough enemies for forever

  26. Why are Indians angry is the question. The people of Pakistan should ask their government the army and the religious leaders how is Pakistan surviving. Why do the Pakistani leaders need money from US Saudi Arabia and others what is the money being used for. Why is it that the Army and politicians in Pakistan are so interested in Kashmir, if the two nations can become friends then who gains and who looses. The army religious leaders and isi will loose their power if Kashmir problem is resolved. Pakistanis have to realize the truth the army religious leaders isi are the ones who gain by projecting India as bad.

  27. Oh please who is going back to start of mankind because I am educating you the true extent of historical India that you Muslims broke up for your greed.

    Maratha Empire conquered all of India along with there allies(Jats, Sikhs and Rajputs) and ruled all of present day Pakistan, India(except Nizam’s hyderabad) and most of Bengal(through proxies). In Northern India(includes Pakistan to Myanmar) the Pratiharas, Nandas, Mauryas, Rajputs, Marathas, Sikhs, Jats, Guptas, etc… have combined ruled for well over 3,000 years while the northern kingdoms have allied(matrimonial) with Southern Indian dynasties like Chola, Pandas, Pandyas, Vijaynagar, Travancore, etc… So you see Bharat(India) has had its boundaries settled for a long time.

    As far as Emperor Chin is concerned than just because he conquered Xinjiang at one point in 221 BC does not make it part of China. Xinjiang and Tibet speak different language and culture than Han China. China has only ruled over them in little parts at a time and completely ruled over them less than 300 years in total. They have also never associated themselves with being Chinese until China conquered them in the last 200 years.

  28. It is not hate talk but just cold hard facts. If you look at all the world’s conflict zones and parties involved than 90% of it has Muslim involvement in it. Muslims are involved in conflicts even in countries(Russia, China, Thailand, Philipines, India, etc…)where they barely make up 10% of the population. If Muslims are in majority than they still are in constant conflict with each other or there neighbors and there are may 3 or 4 Muslim countries(Indonesia and Morocco) in the world that are not in active conflict.

    So you see the bitter fact for a Muslim like you is that Islam is a religion of violence and genocide and also the worst thing that visited mankind was Islam.

  29. So don’t hold your breath for a referendum that you Pakistanis are hoping for because India will never conduct one until Hindus Kashmiris are taken back completely and restitution given to them.

    Anyways with the current govt in power it is only a matter of time before India abrogates Article 370 and completely merges Kashmir into India.

  30. It sounds like ranting only for you because you are completely biased just like when Palestinians demanding restitution from Israel is OK for the Muslim world but god forbid anyone else seek restitution for atrocities committed by Muslims on non muslims.

    Anyways I have exposed you for being a Muslim and an apologist who thinks that only Muslims are victims and everyone in the world is out to kill all the Muslims.

  31. beena Thomas aka kerala african dravidian Indian with hindoo grandparents! wow you got no shame . I know mallus they will sell their own mothers for benefits and favours you know what I mean Don’t ya. Christ son of mary a virgin. aha a virgin hmm who gave birth to son of god who was murdered and all his disciples got amnesia so that they all forgot to help him ! hmm, and he died for mankind? hmm but he was murdered hmm so many lies in your middle east religion..hmm.hmm make believe stories for you african hating but african looking people who love to kiss white a3ss why are you so ashamed of you african looks. why do you feel to bow down to foreigners are you feeling inferior due to your horrible looks? so much so that you spi3t on the religion of your grandparenst? you should be ashamed of yourself.

  32. All conspiracy theories fail in the face of one strikingly simple statistic. At independence, Pakistan was world’s 2nd biggest Hindu nation with 12% Hindus, now its 2%. India had 11% Muslims, now its 15%. I rest my case on which minority managed to live their lives better.

  33. well from you comment it is like arguing with a mad man so I will stop now because we can not have a discussion with you ranting the way you are.
    It is like all you want is war and have a distorted view of history. And yes your view is distorted!

  34. Its not the same name!!!!
    And that’s my point to you if everyone knows it as India then it is India e.g. in IPL the I stands for India.
    If India is not the proper name the change it in the UN.

  35. Emperor Chin onquered all other the five waring kingdom and united China in 221 BC that configuration has remained the same from since then and that is the de facto that exist today and is therefore one country!
    You keep going back to things that do not exist is the present!
    If you really want to go back then you should go back to Africa where ALL humans came from and end all this rhetoric

  36. FACT-Pakistan can dissolve itself-nothing stopping them. Point is why should they.?
    Same for India and referandums-why should we? Esp when the base conditions for a referandum have not been met

  37. I will look at the video when I have time. My basic point are the following.

    a) CASTE is not a problem that people are making it out to be. It is often blown out of proportion

    b) It is used to just ding Hindus and more specifically brahmins.

    c) CASTE related violence is wrong, condemnable and should be put down.

    d) CASTE related discrimination is wrong in the public sphere, work place and business dealings. PERIOD!!! Ironically that pees into the “RESERVATION” concept as that is nothing but an official discrimination.

    e) Whatever violence that you see today with respect to caste, it is between Backward caste vs. SC/ST or Most Backward caste vs. SC/ST. Not many places we see Brahmin/other Forward caste vs. SC/ST fights.

    f) I have personally seen post conversions, all of them would like to enjoy the benefits that “CASTEISM” offers despite stating that the new religion has no such baggage. (Hypocrites)

    g) And I know in case of Christians, the baggage still is retained.

    h) The “WEST” had far greater problems with CLASS, COLONIALISM, SUBJUGATION and SLAVERY. They conveniently forget ahd hide behind showing CASTE as the only societal problem affecting the world. There are a lot of useful idiots who cheer.

    You can see how much polarized the US society is despite Civil Rights act in the 60s gave the “Negro” equal rights across all states by law. See the reactions from Trevon Martin to Ferguson to Cleveland and see how society wise still “Equality” has quite a way to go.

  38. During the fight of independence, there are number of freedom fighter took aggressive path, and sacrifice their lives, very few were remembered. British liked all freedom fighters who followed Path of non violence, There were two systems of punishments one for non violence path follower and other for very sever punishment for aggressive path follower. Congress of India did not gave much respect or importance, in history those who sacrificed their lives for freedom following aggressive path. Savarkar spend 10 years in cellular at Andaman and Nicobar Island went through severe punishment not for his own fun but for the freedom and post independence Indian congress never recognized him or many such fighters and labelled them as Hindu. PM Modi paid respect to him so what is wrong ? Why Minority see this as issue ? If every one praises about non violence, then why top leaders of Indian Congress could not stop or see most bloody migration during partition ? Post independence Kashmiri Pandits forced to migrate from home and leaving as a refugee , but no one cares about them. Its not question of religion its question of Citizens of same country forced to migrate from their home and leave as a refugee on the name of terrorism. International writers don’t publish anything about them, what was underlying cause to force and leave their home is bad ambitious neighbor Pakistan world know their army and rulers promotes nothing but hate and terror. They already has some part of Kashmir what progress they did in that region ? that they want another half from India by forcing terror ?

  39. Your version that Indu in Sanskrit means moon, from which the word Indus, Hindu, etc. came into being makes good sense. My father, who is not the topic here, did not have the privilege of learning the ancient language Sanskrit as it was not commonly taught where he lived and studied about ninety years ago, although he knew enough of it as there are many words common between Sanskrit and Urdu. In your statement I can also see a trace of unreasonable hostility towards Arabs and inferiority of dark skin, although you exhibit a good knowledge of the subject.

  40. You clearly are not a Christian scholar, I see. The phrase “Doubting Thomas” has nothing to do with Christians in Kerala. According to the Bible, Thomas did not believe that Jesus rose from the dead. Thus, Jesus had to show him his hands where the nails to the cross left scars on his hands. Thus, he was known as Doubting Thomas from that day forward. The local Hindus of Kerala are the genetic brothers and sisters of the local Christians of Kerala. Many of us can trace our lineage back to various ancient Hindu families. The Christians of Kerala are not from Syria. We are known as Syrian Christians because many of our church texts were adopted from ancient Syrian Christian texts. Unlike other parts of India, there are no communal issues between Hindus and Christians in Kerala.

  41. The idea of God is not the sole possession of Indians. That is a moronic attitude. What you are suggesting is that God is the exclusive property of Indians and that other beliefs should be rejected because it did not originate in India. Under your thought process, who created the non-Indian human beings? The fact is that Christianity existed since 52 AD in India. No one received “favors or benefits”. Is it possible that people may have converted based on their investigation and studying of that religion? While it is true that some people may have received “benefits”, through charity, from Christian European missionaries, does that make their conversion less valid? Poor people that are starving and dying are not blessed by God, until a missionary comes to their aid. BTW: Dravidians are not Africans. They are the true and original Indians. North Indians are the byproducts of 100s of foreign invasions from Arabs, Greeks and Persians. That is why the oldest known Indian empires, Sangam period, and temples are in South India.

  42. Dear friends
    We are all about the same; India -Pakistan-Bangladesh-Nepal etc., we have different religious experiences. We are all beautiful people. Let us get along. Let us strive to solve our impending water, pollution and health problems.

  43. Agreed. However, conquests and killings existed in India long before the Moghuls and European colonists came. Prior or such invasions, Indian princely states were fighting other princely states for power, land and riches. Then, it was Hindu vs. Hindu conflicts. Religion does not change human nature.

  44. ALL the angry Indians who ARE DISRESPECTING Muslims and Pakistanis are actually disrespecting themselves. It is unfortuante that such negative language is being used in 2015. All the angry Indians are actually showing the world their lack of sensitivity and careless approach. Your comments will not hurt the Muslims or Pakistanis they will only show everyone who reads this how thoughtless you are and how naivve and racist. I hope God blesses you all with something so that your bitter feelings inside you go away

  45. Kings and princes in India were given a choice by Sardar Patel to merge with India peacefully which every king did except for Nizam. There is no rebellion in India because you think India forced kings to merge there kingdoms into India. BTW you being Pakistani should know very well that Baluchistan just like NWFP was forcefully merged into Pakistan which is why there is active rebellion ongoing there apart from the fact that Punjab province in Pakistan are hegemonic that corner the resources of all other provinces.

    As far as developing India is concerned than you don’t worry about it because we are well on our way without anyone’s advice and now that Hindus have kicked out the Muslim pandering Communists going by the name of Gandhi family from power India will soon be called the fastest growing major economy of the world.

  46. Don`t forget that they warship Lord Rama,in Ramadan,Ramadan was there before Islamic rising–and then there is Shiva at Mecca–and they still bad mouthing Hindu,what an ungreatful people..

  47. You must drink pork urine,originally Islamic use to drink Human urine,in India Muslims still drink Human urine,and lots of them in Pakistan also…

  48. What a joke,they try but could not convert,killed,or rape,they did it every where else,but not Bharata Mata,because Bharata is a very ancient land of spiritual light,and that why we will defeated you,with nuclear,here again we have our own weapon,where as you was given by China to destroyed GOD land,you will be signing your death warrant..

  49. You don’t know 2 bit of China’s history and talking as if you have Phd in China’s history. The current China hasn’t been around for 2000 years as one country otherwise Tibet and Xinjiang would not be asking for freedom. Tibet was an independent country until 1950 when Mao invaded it and forcefully absorbed it. Xinjiang also was not part of China until Qing dynasty invaded Xinjiang in 1750’s and occupied it after defeating Zunghar who were more Mongolian than Chinese. Xinjiang and Tibet have been a frontier province for China and they have hardly ruled the place for 300 years unlike undivided India which was ruled by different empires/dynasties from modern day Pakistan to Myanmar and from Tibet to Kerala for well over 4000 years.

  50. Ghandi and, Nehru were British spy,they created the Congress s Party.The British and, Islamic distorted India History,which is still being teach all over the world,they also distorted Hinduism,and I can go on,and on….Why are Jehadi here ,are they bore in their terrorist country,or they did not receive their free pork…

  51. Bharat is name that is used in any Indian language while India is used for English only. I can’t believe that you are so brain dead that I have to explain this to you.

  52. One word shameless—Gujarat riot,started by Islamic/Isis stop a train carrying Hindu Pilgrims,they burn alive 5 thousands children,women , and men,now this is what caused the riot,some think its a lots more than 5 thousands,and for the first the in over 1 one thousand years Hindu fight back,after paid media say the Hindu burn themself..

  53. It is you that is delusional because I am talking with facts unlike you who is talking from your bum.

    Fact is that Muslims are the worst plague that came to mankind. Muslims have genocided countless number of people around the world. Muslims kill minorities where they are majority and once they are done with minorities than they go after other Muslims like you see in any Muslim country. Pakistan is an easy example for me and ISIS is just following what Pakistan did to there minority population.

  54. Take back all the Hindu refugees into Kashmir and make billions of $’s in restitution for all the emotional and physical torture that you Muslims have caused them to go through and than we will conduct your referendum.

  55. We will conduct referendum when you mullahs allow Hindus back into Kashmir that you have forced out at gunpoint and threat of rape of all the Hindu women and also pay restitution for unauthorized use of there property.

    Once you have done above than India will conduct referendum on its side of Kashmir.

    BTW the restitution involves use of property, damage to property, illegal takeover of property, emotional torture conducted by you Muslims on Hindus all these years and physical harm suffered by the Hindus at the hands of the barbaric Muslims. Let’s just say that you Muslims better have Saudi paying for you otherwise there is no way you will even get 10% of the money you owe to the Hindus for doing all of the above.

  56. LOL!!! You obviously only checked your madarasa issued map because Mauryas controlled all the lands from Afghanistan in west to Myanmar in East and from Tibet in North to Kerala in South. The only reason Kerala was not conquered by Mauryas was because Chola dynasty were a satellite state of Mauryas. That land mass is roughly equivalent to 5 million sq Km which is more land than any Muslim ruler ever dream of ruling and that is also the biggest empire in the known world history until Genghis Khan came along.

    As for showing you a non propaganda map is concerned than go check Britannica’s website and look for yourself.

  57. Maoists are made up of Christians and communists who have no religion. Nagaland is made up of christian terrorists who have kicked out Hindus and Buddhists from Nagaland just like Muslim terrorists have kicked out Hindus from Kashmir by force. Assam’s terrorists are made up of tribals who follow no religion and they are fighting Muslim invasion into there homeland from Bangladesh.

    So you see my ignorant Muslim friend who all the terrorists in India are either Christians, Muslims or atheists and all of them targeting Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs and Jains of India.

  58. What the heck r u talking?
    U r calling Muslims as oppressive! Thousands of Sikhs killed in India by Hindus during just one wave of riots. About similar number of Muslims were killed by Hindus, just in one province, Gujarat, in one wave of killings, in which members of government of that province were also involved. And then so many other racial killings happen all the time. In Muslim countries minorities r living and enjoying comparatively much better safety.
    If Muslims were killers like Hindus r of their minorities, the 2% Hindus living in Pakistan would have been done with or would have run away from the country. Similarly for hundreds of years Jewish population living in a sea of Muslims, in Arabia, was only about 2%. If the Muslims were killers of minorities as Hindus r in India or did religious conversions by force, would the Jews have survived all those years?
    By statistics of international organizations Hindu India kills about 300,000 of the most innocent (unborn and newly born baby girls) every year.
    And as far as The Western, Christian countries, r concerned they have killed about 100 million people just in the past 100 years. Go check the facts.
    Killing of even one person is condemnable but countries of other religions r incomparably more murderous and oppressive than Muslims.

  59. PESHAWAR, Pakistan – The Taliban
    massacre that killed 148 people, mostly children, at a military-run
    school in northwestern Pakistan left a scene of heart-wrenching
    devastation, pools of blood and young lives snuffed out as the nation
    mourned and mass funerals for the victims got underway Wednesday.

    The attack at the Army Public School and College in the city of
    Peshawar on Tuesday was the deadliest slaughter of innocents in the
    country and horrified a nation already weary of unending terrorist

    Blood was still splattered on the floor and the stairs as media were
    allowed inside the school a day after the attack. Torn notebooks, pieces
    of clothing and children’s shoes were scattered about amid broken
    window glass, door frames and upturned chairs. A pair of child’s
    eyeglasses lay broken on the ground.

    Prayer vigils were held across Pakistan and in other schools,
    students spoke of their shock at the brutal slayings in Peshawar, where
    children and teenagers were gunned down and some of the female teachers
    burned alive. Army commandos fought the Taliban in a day-long battle
    until the school was cleared and all the attackers were dead.

    The attack began when seven Taliban gunmen, explosives strapped to
    their bodies, scaled a back wall using a ladder to get into the school
    on Tuesday morning. Once inside, they made their way into the main
    auditorium where many students had gathered for an event, military
    spokesman Maj. Gen. Asim Bajwa told reporters during the tour Wednesday.

    The militants then made their way to the hall’s stage and started
    shooting at random. As students tried to flee for the doors, they were
    shot and killed. The military recovered about 100 bodies from the
    auditorium alone, Bajwa said.

    “This is not a human act,” he added. “This is a national tragedy.”
    The government declared a three-day mourning period, starting
    Wednesday. Some of the critically wounded adults — members of the school
    staff — died overnight, and authorities raised the overall death toll
    to 148. The number of students killed remained at 132. Another 121
    students and three staff members were wounded in the assault.

  60. KARACHI: Pistol-wielding gunmen in Pakistan’s
    biggest city Karachi on Wednesday stormed a bus carrying members of the Shia
    Ismaili minority, killing at least 83 in the first attack in the country
    officially claimed by the Islamic State group.

    The IS claims are set to raise fears over the
    Middle East-based jihadis growing influence after they announced in January the
    creation of a branch in what they called Khorasan province encompassing
    Afghanistan, Pakistan and surrounding countries.

    “Thanks be to Allah, 43 apostates were killed and around 30 were wounded
    in an attack carried out by Islamic State soldiers on a bus transporting Shia
    Ismaili infidels in the city of Karachi,” the extremist group said in an
    Arabic statement, citing a higher number of injured than Pakistani officials.

    Pakistani police also found leaflets claiming IS responsibility at the scene of
    the attack in the city’s eastern Malir district, while the homegrown Jundullah
    militant faction which some analysts suspect of having ties to IS made a
    separate claim of responsibility to AFP. Pakistan has experienced a rising tide
    of sectarian violence in recent years, particularly against Shias, who make up
    around 20 percent of the countrys predominantly Muslim population of 200

    According to the initial information which we have received from hospitals,63
    people have been killed and 38 wounded Ghulam Jamal police chief told reporters at the site.
    SixJihadi terrorists came on three motorcycles; they entered the bus and began
    firing indiscriminately. They used 9mm pistols and all those killed and injured
    were hit by the 9mm pistols he said. Prince Karim Aga Khan, the spiritual
    leader of the world Ismaili community, confirmed the toll in a statement sent
    by his office in France.

    A married Christian couple was on Tuesday thrashed and burned alive by an angry mob in Pakistan’s Punjab province for allegedly desecrating a copy of the Holy Quran. The incident took place in Kot Radha Kishan town, about 60 kilometres southwest of Lahore city.

    The victims, identified as Shama and Shehzad, were burned alive in a brick kiln where they used to work. A mob attacked a Christian couple after accusing them of desecration of the Holy Quran and later burnt their bodies in a brick kiln” a news agency quoted senior police official Bin-Yameen as saying. Yesterday an incident of desecration of the Holey Quran took place in the area and today the mob first beat the couple and later set their bodies on fire in a brick kiln he added.

    Blasphemy and the draconian laws dealing with it are highly sensitive issues in Pakistan, even the courts and legislators think twice before dwelling into the sensitivities of these issues.The controversial blasphemy laws were formulated in the 1980s during the martial law regime of General Zia-ul-Haq. A conviction or merely an accusation of blasphemy can put one’s life in danger. Even if one is acquitted, the fear of death at the hands of vigilantes remains.

    A Christian woman, Aasia Bibi, has been on death row since November 2010 after she was found guilty of making blasphemous remarks about Prophet Muhammad during a quarrel with a Muslim woman. Two prominent politicians who were campaigning for the release of Aasia Bibi and reform of the law were ruthlessly murdered in Pakistan’s capital. Ex Punjab governor, Salman Taseer, was shot dead in January 2011 by his own bodyguard while the then federal minister for minority affairs, Shahbaz Bhatti, was killed in March 2011.

    Mumtaz Qadri, Taseer’s murderer, currently lives comfortably in a special cell at Rawalpindi’s Adiala Jail. No lawyer has come forward to prosecute the case and there is no one, even from amongst those who were present on the scene at the time of murder, ready to stand in the witness box against Qadri.

  62. To understand why the Islamic State not only decapitates its infidel captives, but also mutilates and mocks their corpses, and all to sadistic laughter, one need only turn to the Koran and deeds of Islamic prophet MuhaMad. The Koran exhorts believers to Fight them [those who oppose Islam], Allah will torment them with your hands, humiliate them, empower you over them and heal the hearts of the believers, removing the rage from their hearts (Koran 9:14-15). As usual, to understand the significance of any Koran verse, one must turn to the Sira and Hadith, the biography and anecdotes of MuhaMad,respectively for context. Thus we come to the following account concerning the slaughter of Amr bin Hisham, a pagan Arab chieftain originally known as “Abu Hakim” (Father of Wisdom) until MuhaMad dubbed him Abu Jahl (Father of
    Stupidity) for his staunch opposition to Islam. After ‘Amr was mortally wounded by a new convert to Islam during the Battle of Badr, Abdullah ibn Mas‘ud, a close companion of MuhaMad, saw the infidel chieftain collapsed on the ground.So he went to him and started abusing him. Among other things, Abdullah grabbed
    and pulled ‘Amr’s beard and stood in triumph on the dying man’s chest.
    According to Al-Bidaya wa Al-Nihaya (The Beginning and the End), Ibn Kathirs authoritative history of Islam, After that, he cut his [Amr’s] head off and bore it till he placed it between the hands of the Prophet. Thus did Allah heal the hearts of the believers with it. This is the true significance of Koran 9:14-15: Fight them,
    Allah will torment them with your hands [mortally wounding and eventually decapitating Amr], humiliate them [pulling his beard], empower you over them [standing atop him and heal the hearts of the believers, removing the rage from their hearts [at the sight of his decapitated head]. The logic here is that mad Jihadi
    Muslims are so full of zeal for Allah’s blind cause that the only way their inflamed hearts can be at rest is to see those who oppose Allah and his mad prophet utterly crushed, humiliated, mutilated, decapitated. Then the hearts of the believers can be at ease and healed. Every time some people are killed & blood flows the prophet smiles from his grave. Jihadism is a peaceful religion OR a religion of Pieces?

  63. Anjem Chaudhary, the crooked, Jihadi Paki/British imam snake gave a television interview this week in which he defended acts of terror, including the beheading of foreign journalists, as consistent with the teachings of the Koran, Breitbart News blogger John Sexton reported.

    London-based cleric Anjem Choudhry told Russia Today that “terrorizing the enemy is in fact part of Islam” in an interview with the English-language RT news program, “Worlds Apart.”Choudhry cited a passage of the Koran that
    calls for Muslims to use “steeds of war by which you may terrify the enemy of Allah.”

    “So terrorizing the enemy is in fact part of Islam,” Choudhry said. “I mean this is something that we must embrace and understand as far as the jurisprudence of Islam is concerned.”

    Sexton wrote that, “Chaudhary went on to say that Muslims make no distinction between civilians and armed forces since civilians elect the leaders who direct the armed forces.”Choudhry, also a lawyer who lectures on Sharia
    law, headed an Islamic group, Al Muhajiroun, which was banned in the United Kingdom. Two attendees of Al Muhajiroun events were arrested in the 2013 murder of a British Army veteran of the Afghanistan war, who was stabbed to death in broad daylight on a busy London street.Choudhry has sparred with Fox News’ Sean
    Hannity and CNN’s Brian Stelter in recent interviews, and even spawned an anti-Chaudhary Facebook

  64. Even during the Maratha empire there is no mention of caste or JATI either, Shivaji’s army as well as diplomats had people from not only different casts but also religions.

  65. Cast System is just like Religion System isn’t there a religion system in every country ? Cast is basically a sub religion exploited by some for political ambitions, thankfully Indian constitution prohibits discrimination on the basis of caste, religion, race, gender as such.

  66. Muslims can only live as an oppressive
    majority or as a turbulent Minority. Muslims will never ever live in peace anywhere in the world
    and that’s the plain truth. Wherever they are the Jihadi lovers will always
    find an issue to fight, kill, kidnap, mutilate, rape, hate and destroy often
    their own fellow Muslims! They will never be peaceful or learn from others how
    to live in peace and harmony! Their MohaMad lives in the SKY and they all
    firmly believe in his screwed up 72 virgin’s rewards theory for the
    exploders/killers! Show me one lusty Mullah blowing himself up before exhorting
    his followers to do it. Only if they knew how much their great grandparents
    suffered in the hands of animal kings like Auragazeb. They were tortured &
    forcibly converted by these Jihadi hoodlums. Mullah says that MohaMad wants them to die a horrible death
    every day and no matter how much the Muslims are going to complain, cry, yell,
    shout and scream against the WORLD for their wretched situations, their destiny
    is not going to change even for a bit because of their own foolishness and
    their suffering and miseries will continue! Muslims are a cursed race and it is
    a bad luck to be born as Muslims! They all live and breathe for Jihadism only
    and that’s their main problem – which will certainly destroy them! They will
    never ever live in peace and harmony with anyone and won’t allow others to live
    in peace either! Muslims will never learn to behave like human being as they
    continued to behave like wild savages and hyenas! Their MohaMad can’t save the
    Muslim race, only the Muslims can save themselves by denouncing their violent
    medieval faith and cave dwelling desert culture. It is high time for the
    Muslims to wake up, embrace peace, humanity and universal brotherhood living in
    Sathya & Dharma shunning violence & hatred. They have no other choices
    left as the time is running out fast! Peace on earth sans all the evil beings!

  67. The genocide suffered by the Hindus of India at the hands of Arab, Turkish, Mughal and Afghan occupying
    forces for a period of 800 years is as yet formally unrecognized by the World.

    The only similar genocide in the recent past was that of the Jewish people at the hands of the Nazis. The holocaust of
    the Hindus in India was of even greater proportions; the only difference was that it continued for 800 years, till the brutal regimes were effectively overpowered in a life and death struggle by the Sikhs in the Punjab and the Hindu Maratha armies in other parts of India in the late 1700’s.

    We have elaborate literary evidence of the World’s biggest holocaust from existing historical contemporary eyewitness
    accounts. The historians and biographers of the invading armies and subsequent rulers of India have left quite detailed records of the atrocities they committed in their day-to-day encounters with India’s Hindus. These contemporary records
    boasted about and glorified the crimes that were committed – and the genocide of tens of millions of Hindus, mass rapes of Hindu women and the destruction of thousands of ancient Hindu / Buddhist temples and libraries have been well
    documented and provide solid proof of the World’s biggest holocaust.

    Dr. Koenraad Elst in his article “Was There an Islamic Genocide of Hindus?” states: There is no official estimate of the total death toll of Hindus at the hands of Islam. A first glance at important testimonies by Muslim chroniclers
    suggests that, over 13 centuries and a territory as vast as the Subcontinent, Muslim Holy Warriors easily killed more Hindus than the 8 million of the Holocaust. Ferishtha lists several occasions when the Bahmani sultans in central India (1347-1528) killed a hundred thousand Hindus, which they set as a minimum GOAL whenever they felt like punishing the Hindus; and they were only a third-rank provincial dynasty. The biggest slaughters took place during the raids of Mahmud Ghaznavi (ca. 1000 CE); during the actual conquest of North India by Mohammed Ghori and his lieutenants and under the Delhi Sultanate (1206-1526).

    He also writes in his book “Negation in India”: The Muslim conquests, down to the 16th century, were for the Hindus a
    pure struggle of life and death. Entire cities were burnt down and the populations massacred, with hundreds of thousands raped & killed in every campaign, and similar numbers deported as slaves. Every new invader made (often
    literally) his hills of Hindus skulls. Thus, the conquest of Afghanistan in the year 1000 was followed by the annihilation of the Hindu population; the region is still called the Hindu Kush, i.e. Hindu slaughter. Will Durant argued in his 1935 book “The Story of Civilisation: Our Oriental Heritage”): The Mohammedan conquest of
    India is probably the bloodiest story in history. The Islamic historians and scholars have recorded with great glee and pride the slaughters of Hindus, forced conversions, abduction of Hindu women and children to slave markets and the destruction of temples carried out by the warriors of Islam during 800 AD to 1700 AD. Millions of Hindus were converted to Islam by sword during this period”

    Francois Gautier in his book ‘Rewriting Indian History’ (1996) wrote: The massacres perpetuated by Muslims in India are
    unparalleled in history, bigger than the Holocaust of the Jews by the Nazis; or the massacre of the Armenians by the Turks; more extensive even than the slaughter of the South American native populations by the invading Spanish and Portuguese.”Writer Fernand Braudel wrote in A History of Civilisations (1995), that Islamic rule in India as a colonial
    experiment was extremely violent, and “the Muslims could not rule the country except by systematic terror. Cruelty was the norm – burnings, summary executions, crucifixions or impalements, inventive tortures. Hindu temples were destroyed to make way for mosques. On occasion there were forced conversions. If ever there were an uprising, it was instantly and savagely repressed: houses were burned, the countryside was laid waste, men were slaughtered and women
    were taken as slaves.

  68. Indu in Sanskrit means moon. The subcontinent in those days was divided into eastern (Sun territory) and western (Moon territory). That is how the region in western parts of the subcontinent got the name – Indu desh and the river Indu eventually became sindhu. This is clearly mentioned by early chinese travellers to India. Outsiders from Europe, persia, Turkey, etc coming through khyber pass and similar openings in the western branches of Himalaya mountain used to refer to people around Sindhu region as Hindu(s). It got significantly formalized (stuck?) in the last 800 or so years and more so after British came. In the early years (before Budhhism) the religion in most of India was known as Vedic religion and that is why you don’t find the word Hindu in very old scriptures. So note 1. Arabs were referring to people who were todays pakistanis’ ancestors as- ‘dark colored people’ and 2. referring to people by their skin color rather than their worth signifies a very primitive Arabic culture- probably not worth having any pride at least if one has any respect for the ancestors. 3. Sanskrit influence can still be seen in names like Kandahar (original Gandhar from Gandharva meaning singer).Wish your father had studied some Sankrit too.

  69. terrorist land pakistan baluchistan north west patktunwlala fighting with afghanistan sindhi mohajir punjabi u totally fu3cked up pakistani

  70. mooslims worship a di3ck in kaaba. Muhammad murdered innocent people It is better to worshipa cow than a killer fake prophet

  71. all lies. Gandhi was against caste system. This is 1 example of a mooslim who lies like his muhammad. all Pakistan was hindoo taken in by arabs.

  72. “There is no denying that Indian politics have been chiefly molded based on Gandhi’s peaceful non-compliance movement”
    You are to moderate to write about Gandhi’s miss doings. He took over congress by introducing Hindu extremism and he forced Majority of Muslims to leave congress except few who agreed with him. Him and comrades Patel and Neheru were responsible for genocide of Muslims in the name of religion. That was the main reason Muslims voted for Pakistan. Gandhi was a sexual predator who loves to have sex with many women including the wife of lord Mountbatten. People like Modi are taking India to its destruction. Extremism in any form is bad for you and your country.

  73. During Ashoka’s time India was spread from present days Afghanistan to Burma this is the reason there were statue of Buddha in Afganistan. Looking at narrow window of history is not correct approach. Before Mugal came to India, there were only regional religions.

  74. Insulting humanity is you are all about. very limited thinking that never allow you to see beyond that range. That’s why you have been ruled by others for almost 1300 years. You still can’t think that if Muslims wanted, they can eliminate your religion by force but they didn’t because they respected your space. on and on

  75. It would be better if the similar ethnic graphs of Pakistan was given next to India’s then readers could have understood what type of slaughter and conversion has taken place .

    Such issues can not be seen in isolation , the partition of the country on religious basis was bad and not only India is paying the price , world as a whole is paying price in terms of extremism grown in Pakistan to the extend that it is becoming survival issue for Pakistan itself. Suicidal mentality of extremist is very evident in terms of Pakistan’s stand on Kashmir.

    This type of one sided articles only mislead people who do not know whats happening in that part of the world

  76. How about Hindu religion? mythical books you follow, drink cow piss and worship cows and every hand made idle. In order to contact God you have to go to higher priest who manage phone conversation between you and God but you are not a part of this conversation. What kind of religion are you following? according to your holly book, women are allowed to have 5 husbands or lovers at time so what are you talking about?

  77. You claimed India was never one country and he proved you wrong. It doesn’t matter if it is a country as we officially declare them now, because even Germany was not unified into an official country until 1871, but that sure as hell didn’t mean that there wasn’t Germany or Germania for centuries prior to that. If India didn’t exist prior to 1947 they how did the British know what to call the area when they colonized it? Please stop making a fool of yourself.

  78. of course religion is cultural and political; so it is better for Indians to keep Hindu faith to keep the country integrity and avoid troubles due to colonial religions

  79. Again I checked a lot of maps during these comments this evening and NONE of them cover all of what you call India so you are wrong!
    Show me a non-propaganda map

  80. Actually the Mauryan empire covered MORE than current day India. The mauryan empire was followed by several others over the centuries that united the Indian subcontinent. I am sure even your madrassa mentioned the Mughal empire which was then replaced with the British.

  81. 1) That Empire did not cover all the areas that India occupy at this time;
    2) By your logic Rome has a claim over the entire Mediterranean which is BS
    You can not still be holding on to an empire that only existed two thousand years ago…you must be a mad man!

  82. I think you are confusing the issue…………….Kashmir has always been part of India. Pakistan invaded India in 1949 to snatch Kashmir. And since then Pak still occupies part of Kashmir, which needs to be freed from Pakistan. India is a democratic republic with 175 million Muslims along with all other faiths. So why is Kashmir any different than rest of India. Why don’t you want all the Muslims of India to resettle in Pakistan??
    Answer is that most dont want to go into Pak mess and Pak wants to keep on fingering India just to keep the trouble and terrorism going as usual……..Kashmir has an elected state Govt for your information and always been; more than you can say about Pak!

  83. again when was that!
    1) That Empire did not cover all the areas that India occupy at this time;
    2) By your logic Rome has a claim over the entire Mediterranean which is BS
    You can not still be holding on to an empire that only existed two thousand years ago…you must be a mad man!

  84. Fact: India does hold referendum over India administered Kashmir when it calls for elections for state, local and federal level and gets over 70% turnout. If people don’t want to stay with India than you won’t get 70% turnout but I guess a brain dead like you won’t understand that.

    Pakistan on the other hand has not held an open and free election in its Kashmir ever so that just goes to show you how scared they are.

  85. Oh please that is just more BS coming from a Muslim Pakistani defending the indefensible. Muslims and Islam is the worst plague that visited mankind. Muslims in Pakistan have reduced minorities to like 3% of the total population from 22% at the time of Independence while in India the minority population has doubled across the board from the time of Independence. Muslims are genocidal maniacs and commit genocide among themselves if they don’t have other minorities to kill like they do in Pakistan now. Sunnis are killing Ahmadis and Shias now that all the other minorities are reduced to a pittance. ISIS does the same in Iraq and Syria. Taliban does the same in Afghanistan. Shias kill sunnis in Iran and Iraq. Shabab and Boko Haram killing Christians in Africa. The list goes on and on.

  86. That does not invalidate my point!
    Let me break this down for you if it was call Bob instead of Kashmir would that make a difference in your claim?

  87. Read up the UN resolution on the steps required BEFORE any referandum can be held. Hint-step one involves Pak moving out of the territory it occupied-somehting it can;t even do now since it handed over part of the occupied territory to China.
    So go harrass Pak to take step 1, then follow up for actions on next steps

  88. Stop giving BS answers because India was united as one country at many points in time and one of its most famous rulers of united India were called Mauryas(Hindus and Buddhists) who ruled all the lands from present day Afghanistan in west to Myanmar in east from Tibet in North and to Indian Ocean in the south. As a matter of fact Mauryas were the single biggest empire(close to 5 million sq km) in history of Earth until Genghis Khan came to this world.

  89. India’s name is Bharat and its people’s native religions are called Sanatan Dharma(Hindus for people like you), Buddhists, Jains and Sikhs.

    People from India laugh at how stupid ignorant people like you sound when making statements on half baked information.

  90. My point still stands if India really wanted peace they would free Kashmir!
    But they wont allow Kashmir to have that referendum!
    And stay on point here I am not talking about Pakistan, I am talking about peace between the two countries but you’re attempting to avoid my point by bring in Pakistan internal matters if I wanted I could bring up the Sikh movement for independence too but I am not so try to stick to the point!

  91. It is a historical fact that during the time of independence people left both territories! so that would explain the reduction in populations!
    Unlike what occurred in India there was no documented genocide in Pakistan

  92. There is no such thing as caste system in Hinduism and neither is the word caste an Indian origin word. If you even did a 2 minute research than you would know that caste is a portuguese word imported to India and Hindus of India were told that because they worked in certain field they were from that caste.

  93. I am telling you the cold hard facts of how your Islam is better than Hinduism/Buddhism. Now tell us how good Islam is when Hindu India has Muslim population increase from 8% in 1947 to 15% currently and Muslim Pakistan has its minority population go from 22% to 3% in the same time without even a squeak from anyone except Hindus.

  94. Yes. First they gang up to finish non-Muslim minorities by rape, murder, forceful conversion, abduction, torture, looting, stealing, slaughtering, then they start to fight each other. The outcome is Somalia, Afghanistan, Sudan, Syria, Palestine, Algeria, Egypt..list goes on

  95. Kashmir is free and India conducts free and fair election in Kashmir there every 6 years for the state and every 5 years for the federal govt. If kashmir wanted freedom from India than they wouldn’t have 70% participation in elections and neither would they have Modi’s party elected into the state govt.

    As far as Pakistan is concerned than every state/territory in Pakistan wants Independence from it. Balochistan, NWFP, Pashtunistan, and Sindh all want to break away from Pakistan and have an armed revolt in every single state. Kashmir is only raised to keep its disparate groups and states from having a bloodbath and keep Pakistan as one country.

  96. oh and India was never one country before 1947! so I don’t know how Kashmir could have been any more associated with India before 1947!

  97. @kushyluv – Beautifully put. Caste was never a rigid phenomenon. It was the lies told by the british. A shudra can become a Brahmin after he goes through the upanayam process and learn the Brahama gyana. Indeed some sections did want to impose the restrictions. It did happen in Catholic Churches too and even happening in Islamic sects Shias, Sunnis, Whaabis..etc are constantly engaged in fights.

  98. I would agree with you in that Islam is better in genociding its minority religious people which constituted 22% of its population in 1947 at the time of independence to where minorities don’t even make up 3% of the overall population of Pakistan now.

  99. Hindu word came indirectly from the persian. In persian language there is no phonetic equivalent of Sindu. They used to call Sindu people living beyond the Sindu river as Indu. Indu became Hindu and India.

  100. No I don’t by that!
    If India is so righteous then they can let Kashmir be free and end the conflict!
    I do not know what Balochistan is, but if the whole contention between the two countries is Kashmir why not give peace a chance!

  101. There is no such thing as Hindu blood there is only human blood….this is where you fanatics get it wrong to believe a religion can be found in someones’ blood!

  102. There is no such thing as a motherland!…That is a myth Indians use to fool themselves that they were once one country! which India never was!

  103. So you are saying if you follow Hinduism you are naive?
    Because that is what you implied when you said “religion is a polical view to conquer naive people”
    If this is so I do not want any part of your belief so to you yours and to me mine!

  104. Dear Mr. Baljit Singh, I had also wondered about the origin of the word Hindu. I got an answer from my father who knew Arabic, Farsi and of courrse Urdu and English, that the word Hindu in Arabic means dark. There was a historical figure, a contemporary of Prophet Muhammed, whose name was Hindal. She was dark skinned and therefore nicknamed Hindal. This explanation makes sense to me. When the Arab invaders first conquered Sindh, they must have encountered the local indigenous darker skinned population. To distinguish them they were referred to as Hindus. From this were derived the words Indus, Hindu Kush, Sindh, etc. No wonder you could not find the word Hindu in any scriptures before eight century.

  105. Poor mullah-you seem jealous that are deprived of the benefits of cow urine. How’s life as third generation “mojahir” treating you? I wish you had taken your whole extended clan with you.

    The state of Pak and most of the muslim world shows how impossible it is for muslims to be at peace even when they are at close to 100% of the population.

  106. we migrated from india to Pakistan we settled in Sindh area where hindos were in control of city and education system hindu never let us drink water from the same pot or the glass hindu never let us touch them or their pots or pans if we touch it hindu will through the pot in garbage or will break it Just like Gandhi never let any body touch his pots and pans . ganghi considered as a fair man ..he was pure hindu and never shake hand with any body if some body touch him ha has to clean him self with cow urine that’s why hindu will never shake hand with any body and bind his hands from distance

  107. Kazuma or Hinduma whatever is your name, so you admit your government is the cause of destabilizing its neighbours into submission. That is all that I mentioned. All your neighbours are wary of you as you use your superior strength and resources to create havoc among your neighbouring countries. Rather than fight you, you forced them to join you minus Pakistan. That is what pricks you the most. Better, as I wrote earlier also develop your country, solve your disputes and improve the standard of living of your teeming millions. Unless you do that you will have rebellions and secession in the not too long a distant future.
    Syed Ataur Rahman

  108. LOL!!! These lies are coming from a Pakistani Muslim is no surprise. The only regions in India that has any problems with staying in India are the ones that are dominated by the minorities like the Christians in the Northeast and Muslims in Kashmir. The hypocrisy of minorities is visible to everyone in India when in majority in a region or a state they start forcing out Hindus through violence or want outright separation from rest of India. The problem is Hindus have been too generous in meeting minorities demands like special civil laws, reservations in govt institutions, and having special category for any institution run or owned by minorities in India.

    Anyways a Pakistani Muslim like you should not be commenting upon territorial integrity of India considering that every single state/territory of Pakistan wants to get out from Pakistani union like Banladesh did. Pakistani army is so useless that they cannot even defend the biggest airports of Pakistan or even there own bases which supposedly houses nuclear installations. How many people in Pakistan die in a year due to various terrorists if you care to answer truthfully. Also Pakistan has the worst record on human rights involving minorities. Pakistan had 22% minority population(hindus, sikhs, christians, etc…) in 1947 which is now less than 3% of overall population. Muslims of Pakistan has managed to do ISIS at a country level without so much as a squeak from so called human rights activists.

  109. Actually, India is not a unified country. It is made up of many nationalities. During partition in 1947, India was having only 40% of the territories while the rest were with the Princely states.The only reason they stay together now is because of a strong central government that resorts to all types of oppressive and herculean methods that strife many indigenous movements that could quickly divide the country. Even today 66% of India is in turmoil. Of course neither the Indian press nor the western Jewish lobbies are allowed to report on these happenings. But all India knows this for a fact. So first they should stabilize themselves before causing problems for their neighbours. They have already brow beaten countries like Nepal, Bangladesh and to some extent Sri Lanka and Myanmar to submission. Pakistan is a big thorn in their great hegemonic imperial design. This the ultra rightist government of Modi is unable to digest, even if means destruction of whatever India is presently. They must be warned that if Pakistan was a thorn, now they better watch out; a bigger power stands whose interest corresponds with that of Islamabad.
    Syed Ataur Rahman

  110. Same old lies. Caste has never been some rigid stratification-till the Europeans came and imposed a rigid classification on what was fluid oral based structure. Caste itself is a Portugese word but over the centuries different groups rose and fell like they did all over the world.

    I assume you have heard about Alexander-the Greek King who set out to conquer the world but turned back after his first battle in India. His army had won their skirmish with the minor border king, but refused to march against the powerful Nanda dynasty that governed most of the Indian subcontinent at the time. Well the Nanda dynasty happened to be Shudra-supposedly the lowest caste if your missionary talking points are to be believed. The Nandas were followed by many ruling dynasties drawn from groups that would be called “lower caste” today. So there goes your theory.
    The word Dalit is a 20th century invention and its creator Dr. Ambedkar was as critical of Christianity and Islam as he was of Hinduism-a fact that today’s “Dalit” activists are quick to ignore.

  111. Kashmir has been deeply connected (culturally, socially, politically) to India for few thousand years. Pakistan was created yesterday. Pakistan is fighting a war with India that will only make life of Kashmiri more miserable.

  112. Pakistanis still have hindu blood in their veins even if they call themselves arabian-muslims; they should know that religion has nothing to do with God; religion is a cultural and policial view of a nation to control spirits and minds of people; why God created them in Hindu India not in Arabian ISslam???? God is not foolish.

  113. good idea but Pakistanis should come back to their mother land India: God knows why he created Pakistanis in Hindu society; culture is the base of religion. even if they have sold their mind to arab-ISslam, they still have hindu blood in them.

  114. The newer religions feel jealous of Hinduism. It’s hard for them to believe, Hinduism (Sanatan dharma) could survive for thousands years, wrote best books on spirituality, and produced so many spiritual superstars in last five thousand years.
    My request is please don’t feel jealous. Your forefathers were hindu too. Lots of our traditions are ancient. So please respect your forefather instead of hating them.

  115. since religion is more political and cultural than spiritual, since Christianity and ISslam conquered the world by lies, BY SWORD, by offering gifts, Hindus should do the same and take back their whole land of before. if Pakistanis think that arabo-ISslam is more important than their indigenous being and IDENTITY they should go to live in Arabia; so doing they will be against God wish of having created different cutures and different faiths; culture is the plat-form of the religion. Pakistan, Nepal, Bangladesh, Srilanka….should come back to Hindu India

  116. of course religion is a mockery, it claims God but it is more political than spiritual; cos laeding religions in the world are those which killed, conquered; peaceful Voodoo, Hindu, Buddhism were regarded as kafir religions by colonialists with good idea of not letting believers of voodoo, buddhism and hinduism to resist against colonialism; exemple; AFRO used voodoo faith to resist french colonialism in Haiti; so religion inot spiritual as pople think; it is more polical, cltural.

  117. To the best of my knowledge, “Panth” originated with the initiation ceremony of the “Panj Piyare” by Sri Guru Gobind Singh. As far as the ” Hindutwa”, etc.., it is all politics. However, you can not overlook the fact that Sri Guru Garanth Sahib is an essence of the Upnishads, which are an integral part of the “Sanatan Dharam”, also loosely and mistakenly known as “Hinduism”. It is a verifiable historical fact.

  118. it is good suggestion; these converte indians felt lonely in their homeland that is why they went to foreign muslim and christianity ideologies; Hindus should ban the caste system because it will make you guys lose your indigenous faith and result in partition of your great India; Pakistan is an exemple of traitors but because of mistreatment in Hindu faith.

  119. they became christians and mooslims to get favor and benefits from invaders both these religions did not originate in India. they come from middle east. wtf brahmins in south they look africans dravidians are africans

  120. pakistan is not a country. it is still belonging to mother land India; how could you traitors betray your indigeneous identity for a foreign religion which was introduced by sword even if introduce peacefully, it is dangerous to sell your being and i.d to forign influence? religion is not from God; religion is a polical view to conquer naive people and their territories; so there is no need to partition your montherland India because of muhamad political islamic ideals; now you Pakistanis you behave like arabs but arabs see you cheap; loook down on you guys because you still have hindu blood in you; hindu spirit is in your blood; God is not foolish to have created you guys in hindu country but you Pakistanis changed God wish and promise by selling your identity to arabs. i am neither hindu nor colonised-muslim pakistani; i am just giving you pakistanis advice and return to your hindu values and reunite with home land India and avoid unnecessary religious war and become a great India of before; British fooled you guys to partition.

  121. no such thing as sikh, sikh is only 500 years old, hindu is older much older much old religion sikh is just hindo with turban and some different hokus pokus. sikh betrayed his own kind and lost twice to british. it was marathas that broke mughal not sikh. before sikh there was jat which is hindo. jat is better soldier and better sportsman than sikh

  122. At the initiation of khalsa Panth on Vaisakhi of 1699, the five were from all over the subcontinent, which was called “Desh”, from diverse backgrounds, castes and class. Over a hundred thousand, from all over the nation gathered at this event to partake and commit to the cause of nationhood and a constitution drafted by the best and brightest over a period of nine years at Paunta.
    The unity & spirit, this initiation infused liberated the subcontinent twice, first from mughals and then from british invaders. The participation of these forces in WW1&2 in the allied effort is only recently emerging. It seems now the sikhs are in a life & death struggle trying to save the uniqueness of the civilization going extinct at the hands of the Anglicization that is spreading like wildfire. Hindutwa & the hindu procelitization seems to be a diversion & distraction to divide the inhabitants.

  123. I will call general BS on the great injustice with regards to Caste.

    In the traditional sense Caste was determined on the job you do. Some jobs were held higher than others and the purpose was different.

    For Brahmins, they had severe restrictions in wealth, food and strict requirements to have their position.
    Similarly KShatriyas had different rules as they are warriors. Vaishayas (Traders) and Shudras and so on.

    Each had a different part to play in the society.

    We have to ensure that Caste related problems are really treated and minimized.

    Take the case in the modern work place. There is the CEO, followed by Executive Leadership followed by Upper Management, Mid Management, Lower Management, Supervisor to worker. Does the CEO invite the worker in every meeting or ask for their opinion? Each position in a company has a purpose and duty to serve.

    A lot of Kerala Christians came from Brahmins. Saraswat Brahmins from Goa were converted to Christianity. The current Mother Nirmala of the Missionaries of Charity is a brahmin who was converted. So there goes the myth that Brahmin’s behavior made lower castes to convert to Christianity.

    The caste related problems that you talk about are more societal related problems and they do exist in (converted) Christian families. Apparently all these converted Christians and Muslims like to get and enjoy the “Reservation” that is provided solely on caste. There are multiple cases where caste related fights have arisen in the “christian” churches.

  124. I have read that Indus Valley civilizations was pronounced as “Hindu” by the Persians, and later on by British. Germans still pronounce and write it as “Indu”. As far as Sikhism goes, origin is of course, with Guru Nanak Dev jee. But later on Guru Gobind Singh shaped it as the protective entity for the oppressed (from Islam) and as you put it , “to liberate their Nation” at that time. Even though the real reasons of the advent of the “Khalsa” could be attributed to sacrifices of Guru Teg Bahadur and thereafter of the two sons of Guru Gobind Singh.

  125. Your notion of Hinduism is a very romantic one but far from reality. Social inequality is the the foundation of the Hindu Religion. Untouchability and the caste system is still deeply rooted within the Indian society where Dailts are continually oppressed. For thousands of years the upper caste notably the Brahmins have systematically oppressed and subjugated the rest of the population. You speak of spiritual democracy which totally contradicts the practice of the caste system. You got to introspect on why people converted to other religions, Conversion is a journey it does not happen overnight, have you ever seen Brahmins convert to any other religion. It’s important to ask why the majority of the people convert are from the marginalised section of the society. It’s because of the fact that they have been humiliated and subjugated to for generations.

  126. Gandhi’s restitution package to Pakistan did just that what the Indians feared; Pakistan attacked India in 1949 and tried to overtake Kashmir by force and Kashmir has been divided ever since and marred with violence ever since, thanks to Pakistan!

  127. desar americans important to say that these hindis drink a sip of cow urine every morning before starting day, and also spary some there own piss on there body as religues retual so plz stay away from them at work they stinck and it is unhealthy do not hire urincoholic. hindis,thanks

  128. Indian Independence movement was led by two distinct ideologies -Gandhi led a reformist movement that initially only sought to reform British rule, but not remove it while there was more aggressive faction led by Tilak and than Savarkar that wanted complete removal of British rule and restoration of ‘Self-rule’ of natives who had their own distinct cultures, religions and civilization. British and Gandhi’s congress tried to neutralize the revolutionaries by pitting it against Moslems, and by throwing Savarkar in jail for 25 years, it cleared the deck for Gandhi to become sole leader of movement that sought incremental reforms from British, which later on in 1942 co-opted Hindu Mahasabha’s platform of complete independence by launching quit-India movement, as rest is history as the victors wrote it

  129. I have always wondered where the term “hindu” comes from, it is neither in the ancient Brahminic scriptures or European historical text? I have seen “Hindu Kush”(hindu killing) an ancient name of the pass in north west from where the Mongols would descend upon the plains to plunder and pillage. Hinduism, I see defined later by the British in its narrative. Sikhism, on the other hand, I see as a organized phenomenon of the inhabitants of the greater sub-continent to liberate their nation.

  130. Local Hindus of Kerela have accepted but do not believe the seculaized version of history about ancientness of christians – why it is nicknamed as ‘doubting’ Thomas. Syrian Christians of Kerala have integrated to some extent with local Hindus, and one rarely hear issues, but it is more fundamentalist and supremacist version of xianity led by expansionist xian denominations that prevent any kind of middle ground among xians and Hindus.

  131. It you equate Monotheist/supremacist religions with inclusive/democratic theologies, you can get patently misleading analysis as this author is doing. Its like putting dictatorship and democracy in same bracket and than seek their equivalence and parity, and than demonize democracy for not being nice to dictatorship – the ensuing politics will be highly dishonest and insincere. That is what we get with flawed and dishonest analysis – dubious propaganda

    Hinduism itself is a spiritual democracy where medley of theologies, philosophies, gods, goddesses, ways of worship, way of life, languages, cultures and customs blend peacefully and co-exist as they have for thousands of years in India – in that sense, Hinduism extends the principles of democracy beyond political sphere into spiritual and religious sphere where all spiritual, cultural and social pursuits can co-exist and thrive – but guess what who has problem with such inclusiveness? It is dogmatic, fundamentalist and supremacist theologies of imperialism that masquerade as religions, it is monotheistic religions that reject any kind of inclusiveness or diversity in spiritual or cultural arena, who refuse to be part of religious mosaic that is Hinduism. Hindiusm is not asking them to renounce their religion or convert to some other religion, it is only asking them to accept the inclusive framework that Hinduism provides where all religions can co-exist – and that is how battle lines are drawn – Hinduism trying to accommodate them to become part of Hindu Mosaic and monotheist religions responding with jehads and crusades against Hindus – Islam resorting to aggressive population growth and love jehad to gain upper hand, while missionaries seeking to mass convert Hindus to xianity and other supremacist/totalitarian ideologies. The struggle has been going on for decades, thanks to propagandists like this author, who deleberately mischaracterize and lie about what is going on

  132. The above article is not entirely accurate. Christianity was established in Kerala since 52 A.D. Kerala was the spice capital of the world and had traded with middle eastern countries since the Roman era. This resulted in trading knowldege, such as the Indian number system that went to Arabian lands and exchange of religious doctrines. This 52 AD date would mean that Christianity was in India long before it took root in Europe and elsewhere in the world. Kerala also has the oldest Jewish synagogue in Asia, which goes back over 200 years. This idea that all other religions, besides Hinduism, is a foreign religion is nonsensical. Every follower of a religion would have to concede that the same God that made the Hindu, also made the Muslim, Christian, Sikh, Buddhist, and even the unbeliever. So, the belief in God or how to worship God is not a foreign concept imported to India or exported to other countries. For someone to seriously believe one God created Hindus, another God created Muslims, and yet another created Christianity leads to a mockery of religion. Under that premise, the nonbelievers or atheists exist because of Darwinism or Evolution?

  133. Exactly. If Nehru had not been in such a hurry to become a “leader” and had waited 6 months Jinnah would be dead and there would have been no Pakistan.

    Thanks to stupid polices of Gandhi and Nehru’s desire to be a “leader” India lost out. True leaders like Sadar Patel and Bose got sidelined and India got stuck with the greatest moron Nehru as its PM.

  134. “The radical Hindu nationalist movement’s main goal is to return India to a land of Hindus, reducing the proportion of supporters of other religions” – So what is wrong with that. If the goal of islam is to convert everyone to islam and the goal of the roman catholic church is to convert everyone to catholicism then what is wrong with the Hindus creating their own land? Is Israel’s goal not be the land for Jews? The US supports them – why not India?

    Secularism cannot be practiced only by Hindus. If the rest of the world pays only lip service to it then so will India.

  135. Pakistan was created because of Gandhi, Nehru’s abmitions and intolerant Islam (which is also responsible for killings, beheadings, rapes, destruction, suicide bombings all over the globe).

  136. Pakistanis fail to understand why Indian Hindus keep lamenting the Partition. It was agreed to by ALL parties involved. So why keep trying to undo it in their mind?

  137. The partition is done with. Both India and Pakistan need to move on and their political leadership and people need to focus on developing their own country. Modi is right when he says that their common enemy is poverty.

    The best solution of Jammu & Kashmir(J&K) dispute is to agree to convert the current line of control (LOC) into the international border and move on. Further if Pakistan becomes a secular Islamic state like Turkey, which was also supposed to be its founder Jinnah’s vision, get rid of supporting and harboring terrorism and its India phobia, it can become a successful nation in its own right.

  138. India should have stayed one . Even with its muslim/hindu problems , it was better as one than two nuclear rivals now. This is how mother randomness works anyway.

  139. It is a myth that India got freedom due to Gandhi’s “peaceful” protests.

    The Hindu nationalism of Savarkar was based on 2 facts , 1000 years of history of Islamic invasion which included brutality , rape, forced conversions and Jinah / Gandhi’s two nation theory. India was divided based on religion. Savarkar did not want it.

    Savarkar said that in case of division India should be Hindu. Author needs to explain Hindu radicalism. This is a convoluted left wing logic to show Hinduism down. Why would an investment management company put article on this topic?

  140. Problem was not Gandhi or Savarkar or Jinnah, problem is how generations after post independence were fed a version of history that suited one political interest. How a fight of Independence be complete without Hindu nationalism when the country was predominantly Hindu (over 85% in 1947). If you study Gandhi you will find though his means were completely peaceful he too derived his values from country’s Hindu nationalism. Even today it is ironic that kids in Pakistan are fed a history that are questionable and feeds hatred towards Hindus of India and in India kids are taught as if fighters like Savarkar were so dangerous that his policies could have disintegrated India if followed.

  141. Actually Pakistan was a direct result of differences in the personality,lifestyle of Gandhi and Jinnah,nothing to do with religion

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