Windows 9 To Be Central Part Of New Microsoft Strategy

Windows 9 To Be Central Part Of New Microsoft Strategy
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It would be fair to say that Windows 8 met with a rather lukewarm critical response. The latest Microsoft Corporation (NASDAQ:MSFT) operating system was widely criticized for removing some of its most familiar features, most notably the ‘Start’ menu, and it was only a matter of time before Microsoft disowned it and released a replacement. Thus, it’s not surprising that Windows 9 is already seemingly on the horizon, according to recent leaks.

Microsoft malaise

This is a particularly critical time for Microsoft, given the general move towards cloud computing which is forcing the company to evolve its entire business model. When Microsoft recently appointed its first new CEO in nearly fifteen years, Satya Nadella, the emphasis was on how his background was going to enable Microsoft to change.

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Additionally, product lines haven’t gone as well as the company hoped in recent years. Aside from the malaise and criticism which Windows 8 experienced, their ‘next generation’ video games console the Xbox One, has been comfortably outsold by the Sony Playstation 4 all over the globe. And Windows Phones haven’t established the prominent position in the marketplace which Microsoft hoped; indeed, the corporation recently announced that it was slashing the price of its smartphones.

So if this is not quite a time of damage limitation for a company which remains the world’s biggest producer and seller of computer software, it is nevertheless one in which the public image of Microsoft must be restored, and the future direction of the company laid out in coherent fashion.

The first attempt to do this will be the forthcoming release of Windows 9. So what can we expect from this important Microsoft product? Leaks are already surfacing, and the latest screenshot obtained by suggests that there are multiple versions of Windows 9 in the pipeline. Future versions of Windows and its companion software Microsoft Office would seem to include Windows 9, Windows 365, Windows Phone 9, Office 365 and Office Gemini.

Thus, Business Insider is reporting that Windows 9 is intended to fix many of the issues associated with Windows 8. Additionally, there will be a raft of new features are also planned. Unsurprisingly, Windows 9 is said to have more of a focus on cloud applications, and the most obvious cosmetic change to the operating system will be the inclusion of the voice operating system Cortana. This would bring Windows in line with its Xbox One cousin; with Microsoft having pushed voice operation included in the video games console very heavily.

Unified approach

Additionally, leaked documents show that Microsoft is looking to unify the Windows platform across all devices. Times have changed radically since Windows first established itself as a software heavyweight, and the contemporary computing climate necessitates a program which runs in an integrated fashion across multiple platforms. It is evident that Microsoft is currently working hard on this for Windows 9.

The city has largely hedged its bets on Microsoft lately, as evidenced by its fluctuating share price.


With Windows 9 apparently due to reach the shops around April, 2015, we may have to wait nearly another year to find out how effective Microsoft’s long-term plans are.

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  1. You clearly don’t know much about encryption in the modern era. More often than not, encryption isn’t something where you “have” the key in the old fashioned sense. Rather, it’s generated by the software based on a variety of environment variables (time date, possibly hardware variables, depending on the system), etc. However, almost nobody uses local encryption. You’re talking about a VERY small minority. Most people who use local storage exclusively are extremely vulnerable to data loss, whether from accident, hardware failure or theft. Having a cloud backup is a good idea for the VAST majority of people.

  2. Actually, Apple had nearly a 20% share of the desktop market at one time. Anyway, Mac OS is meant to be an alternative to the Windows platform (including the hardware), not an upgrade for current Windows users. Windows 8, on the other hand, is meant to be an upgrade for users of previous versions of Windows. While Apple has been extremely successful at getting users to upgrade to new versions of their OS, Microsoft has been much less successful. The fact that more than half of Windows users are still using XP after the release of three upgraded operating systems from Microsoft is a testament to their inability to satisfy their customers. Windows Vista was so bad that Microsoft replaced it with Windows 7 only two years later. Vista’s market share currently stands at less than 2%, and it was released AFTER Windows XP.

    XP had about 25% market share 1.5 years after it was released. Windows 7 had about 19% market share 1.5 years after it was released. Vista had about 10% market share 1.5 years after it was released. This makes Windows 8 only slightly better in consumer acceptance than Windows Vista, and also explains why Windows 9 is being released next year. Microsoft is as anxious to bury Windows 8 as it was Windows Vista.

    You’re right about some categories of open source software, and wrong about others. Open Office is just as powerful as Microsoft Office in every way I can think of, and I’ve used both extensively. There are, however, differences the user has to get used to. GIMP is just as powerful as Photo Shop. Open source alternatives for video and audio editing haven’t kept up with the commercial offerings, primarily because a lot of development money is poured into the commercial products because they charge such high prices for them. Yes, Adobe Premier is much more powerful than open source alternatives, but most consumers couldn’t afford it. The same goes for Avid ProTools for audio, as well as high end engineering and CAD tools. But entry level only? Hardly. There are millions of people who use Linux and open source programs for professional work every day.

    You’re also dead wrong about maintenance costs of Linux. There is far more documentation available for configuring and maintaining Linux servers than there is for Windows servers, and the software is far more sophisticated than software available for Windows servers. One huge advantage for server admins is that the documentation is installed with the software in the common “info” format. There is also plenty of electronic and printed documentation available. This is driven by the fact that Linux owns the web server market by a comfortable margin.

    Also, 96% of supercomputers run Linux.

  3. I don’t think it was originally meant for the tablet market. If Microsoft was smart, it would have been, and wouldn’t have been marketed towards desktops at all. But they did not market it as a tablet only OS which is why the name is tainted now.

  4. Yup and they’re still planning on bringing back the start menu too, but with all the other fixes they did which made it much more intuitive for keyboard/mouse users, most people seem to care less if there’s a start menu or not, myself included.

    However they still tainted the name of Windows 8 by finishing the UI development post release… you say Windows 8 and some people think Vista, even though it’s nothing like Vista. It’s actually very fast and stable and worked well on a touchscreen at launch where Vista was slow and you couldn’t keep notepad from crashing at launch.

  5. …Let me clarify, The XB1 was a good start, until they backtracked. I lost respect for MS by then. I like how they pushed forward with the original XB and was able to do great things with the 360. I was worried they were going too far with the 360 for what I was able to do with it. Despite my loss of respect, this system didn’t scare me away. One has to know how to “deal with it” as MS said. So I did. Unfortunately conspiracy theorist won’t leave me alone now.

  6. And thus you prove it again: Dishonest AND stupid. On tip of that, you apparently can’t read and/or don’t even know what a Surface pro is. Does it eliminate keyboard and mouse? No it does not. Does it add touch to the mix as a first class citizen, equal to keyboard and mouse? Yes it does.

    Facts are facts, troll: Sometimes keyboard and mouse are the best answer. Sometimes touch is the best answer. Sometimes a stylus is the best answer. With a device like surface pro, and an OS like windows 8x, all options are on the table. Stark contrast to all the lesser OS’s out there, that cling to one paradigm or another, unable to seamlessly move from one to the next.

  7. Oh you NEVER said it? EVER? Odd, you have replied to me in three different posts of mine all about how the Surface and touchscreen devices are the future…hmm, how interesting.

    Oh wait, you are a mouthbreather I forgot, you are here to waste oxygen and nothing more.

  8. Well done Jason mate. It was a hard fight and the naysayers and naerdowells were all soundly educated. They could only sit and wonder what crap to spout next.
    Your assessment of the industry and insight to MS’s positioning came right out of my own Arch book and would be roundly and soundly endorsed by almost everyone I know 30 years and counting so the majority of the UK IT industry :-). MS bashers are either technically inept or sheep following the technically inept. If it must work, keep working and has a user (I include myself and you :-) ) then its got to be Windows and its vast support and compatibility. anything else and the likes of me and thee are gonna get some pain. NUFF said. Linux what a loverly backend you have

  9. Really? Do tell: How is it broken? Is it bigger, more bloated and slower than 7? Nope, it’s smaller, leaner and faster. Does it refuse to run most software? Nope, it’s able to run 99% of Windows legacy software, plus an entire new category of software. Does it run on fewer kings of hardware? Nope, it runs on more kinds. Does it support less form factors? Nope, it adopts better to more form factors. Does it fail to integrate with modern web services? Nope, it integrates better than any OS on the market.

    So do tell: What’s broken about it other than that you don’t want to learn to do things a little differently?

  10. Wow, so not only are you an ignorant troll, you’re also a liar. At no point have I EVER said touch screens would REPLACE mouse and keyboard. They are an ADDITION to mouse and keyboard, and at that, a useful, positive addition.

    Typical troll: Dishonest AND stupid.

  11. No, android is not Linux, despite your willingness to play pretend.

    I love the “the war is over” comment. That sums up your ignorance so eloquently, I just don’t think it can be topped :P

  12. Irrelevant. Sold=financial success. In use is obviously best, but it’s not like nobody used Vista. The vast majority sold were on consumer facing PC’s, and you can bet safely that the vast majority of those didn’t get wiped in favor of XP. Upgraded to 7 is likely.

  13. Mm, not entirely true. While yes, apple hardware is just pc hardware with a fancy case and alternative OS, it’s at least well built hardware that easily supercedes the low and mid range that typically gets the most sales. That said, I’d never go back to using Apple. Windows 8 on modern touch devices is FAR superior.

  14. Oh high, its my MS stalker!

    “virtually no one”.

    Who had a monitor when Windows was released? Everyone.
    What was packaged with Windows when it was released? A mouse.
    How much did a mouse cost when Windows was released? About $15.

    Who has a touchscreen monitor today? Perhaps a few artists.
    What is not packaged with Windows 8? A touchscreen monitor.
    How much do touchscreen monitors costs? Over $200.
    Why would anyone use a touchscreen monitor on a PC today? To draw. No other reason, everything else is slower to do with a touchscreen.

    Going from DOS to Windows was a natural progression because we were already there in many programs that created a similar environment designed for the software we were using. It was already there and Windows provided a permanent OS for it.

    There is nothing natural about the PC going from keyboard/mouse to touchscreen, in fact its 10 steps backwards for most uses other than basic mundane operations. touch control will never be faster than typing when it comes inputting data, nor controlling the environment in anything other than basic tasks. Voice input will never be faster than keyboard input for anyone other than those that cant type worth shit…and they are PUTER users like you that don’t actually use their PCs for work or fun.

    As for the majority of your bullshit shill post. I will use Yahoo search, something suited for your idiocy. Microsofts own words against you.;_ylt=A0LEV05rPKBTNWQAKDhXNyoA;_ylc=X1MDMjc2NjY3OQRfcgMyBGJjawNhY2szNDQ1OXBvajgzJTI2YiUzRDMlMjZzJTNEcXYEZnIDeWZwLXQtMjU2BGdwcmlkA0xwZDNnLldCUUJ1TmRCQzJlTTBuT0EEbXRlc3RpZANBRDAxJTNEU01FNDczJTI2QURTUlAlM0RTTUU1MTklMjZBU1NUJTNEUUkwMzglMjZMT0NNTFIlM0RWSVAwNTElMjZNU0ZUJTNETVNZMDA0JTI2VUkwMSUzRFZJUDQ0NiUyNlVOSSUzRFJDRjA0MwRuX3JzbHQDMTAEbl9zdWdnAzQEb3JpZ2luA3NlYXJjaC55YWhvby5jb20EcG9zAzAEcHFzdHIDBHBxc3RybAMEcXN0cmwDMjcEcXVlcnkDbWljcm9zb2Z0IG5vIG1vcmUga2V5Ym9hcmRzBHRfc3RtcAMxNDAzMDEwMTgxNDA3BHZ0ZXN0aWQDVklQNDQ2?gprid=Lpd3g.WBQBuNdBC2eM0nOA&pvid=0zOWFjk4LjGmUGQhU5xNAwDWMTA3LlOgPGv_0YDY&p=microsoft+no+more+keyboards&fr2=sb-top&fr=yfp-t-256
    And you stating that because touchscreens are on tablets and phones as if it means a thing for PCs, shows you are a clueless mouthbreathing tool. DIfferent markets, different needs, different uses.

  15. Your shilling is quite humorous to think a touchscreen monitor is going to replace a keyboard mouse for anything but puter users. Also, thank you for showing you actually are a mouthbreather with that ending comment.

  16. The more Microsoft pushes towards groupware and the Cloud, the less I am interested. I’ve already switched to an Office substitute for my personal machine, and one of the home machines runs Ubuntu. I run a one-person shop, so more collaboration, group and sharing features are worse than useless to me.

  17. I hope and pray Windows 9 is not more cloud oriented. “Cloud” computing might be fine for big corporations, my experience has shown “cloud” computing is a big waste of time and effort. Home users do not need “cloud” computing and small businesses are more efficient housing the data and servers in-house where techs actually have hands-on security over important data and information. There’s an old saying “too many eggs in one basket”. In my opinion, the “cloud” thinking needs to die and the engineers need to get back to building better hardware and localized software.

  18. Win8 was a rushed, half ashes product that wasn’t aimed for traditional PC users as it was originally meant for the tablet market.

    Hopefully Win9 should be better.

  19. Dear kiddo: There’s this thing called “the law”, enforced by “the government”, which companies–all of them, whether you worship at the feet of MS, Google, Apple or otherwise–MUST obey. They don’t have a choice. If Obama says “Gimme data”, they are bound by law. And not one of them has the power to say no and make it stick.

  20. And you’re still wrong. It’s a multipurpose device with a range of capabilities. These capabilities will only continue to grow over time as mobile hardware becomes more powerful.

  21. Not true. It’s only superficially reminiscent of the terminal/mainframe paradigm of decades past. In those days, terminals were “dumb” and had no logic of their own. Sans a connection to a mainframe, they were dead and useless. That’s not what’s playing out with Windows, nor with OSX or iOS or Windows Phone or even Android. It WAS happening with Chrome OS, but Google abandoned that approach and started building localized functionality into Chrome OS because nobody was buying.
    What we’re seeing is a convergence of two paradigms: terminal/mainframe and local computing. CPU’s are becoming more power efficient but also more powerful; storage is getting more dense and higher performance; OS’s are adding capability while shrinking hardware requirements (well, Windows is. OSX and iOS are just getting more bloated by the year).
    What we’re heading toward is place where the hardware in your hand is capable of doing a huge range of tasks locally, and then can expand those capabilities via the cloud.

  22. It certainly doesn’t hurt that Windows comes on most computers, but that wasn’t always the case. It became the case because Windows is something Linux is not: Consistent. Each flavor of Linux differs from the next, often in dramatic ways. Their app install packages are frequently incompatible between versions, and there is precious little support for the vast majority of consumer facing software.
    Windows is so successful and ubiquitous for many reasons, but the most important of these are:
    1. It’s consistent across devices
    2. It’s compatible with an enormous range of hardware and software.
    3. It’s well documented and supported by its creators and by its support community.
    Those are all things linux cannot claim.
    Don’t get me wrong–Linux has a place and it’s a good OS for some things, but it isn’t friendly enough, consistent enough, or compatible enough for most users. Not by a long shot.

  23. “Don’t fix what isn’t broken” is the dumbest statement ever made.
    This isn’t about what’s “broken”, it’s about what’s NEXT. If it were up to people with your mindset we’d all still be running DOS.

  24. Nope, I only do it part time now. Left to go back to school and study film and television :). I’ve been on deployments where we’ve worked 20,000 PC’s in a single year.

  25. Let’s start with the obvious: first, at no point have I said anyone doesn’t have a right to their points of view. Of course they do. Nor have I said they don’t have legitimate complaints–of course they do. But what they don’t have is a clear perspective on the complexity of this industry, nor of the need for companies like Microsoft to adapt to the changing landscape. Now, there’s no getting around the fact that most of us didn’t have touch screen PC’s before Windows 8 came along, and sure, especially in the initial release, that could be frustrating for keyboard and mouse users. Those are issues largely mitigated at this point, incidentally, as of the 8.1 Update 1 recently released.
    You are, however, mistaken: it IS a training issue, absolutely. Anything that can be done on 7 can be done on 8.1, and often faster, but it requires that the user learn a modified way of doing things. In the short term, that’s inconvenient, but in the long term its to their benefit. We faced the same issues when we transitioned from DOS/9x to Windows NT based OS’s, primarily XP, en masse. People HATED the new system because, although it still looked similar (despite the “candy” UI everyone hated), it operated in a fundamentally different way that caused tremendous amounts of tooth-gnashing. And yet, reality is that we’re all better off with NT as our OS core than we were with DOS/9x.
    The same thing happened again when XP was rearchitected for security with SP2. If you recall, SP2 on Windows XP broke just about everything you could possibly break. Applications, management policies, network capabilities–everything broke, and it broke suddenly and sharply. Microsoft threw down the gauntlet and decided apps needed to be built in a secure fashion by requirement. Developers screamed. Users howled. IT staff had fits (oh yes, we did–big time). As big as the changes Windows 8 brings are, they’re still not as big as the changes Windows XP brought–TWICE.
    The Windows RT component of 8, which is responsible for the new UI and apps subsystem, is different from what came before. It’s more secure, it’s smaller, leaner and faster. And yes, developers have to adapt. That was never going to happen overnight. Anyone who expected it would has no sense of history. The same is true for installed base numbers. They need 500 million, you claim, and yet–does iPad have 500 million? Nope. And yet, they’re doing just fine. 200 million in a period of 14 months is good. Not amazing, but damn good, and certainly not a failure. It’s quite probably it’ll approach 350-400 million by the end of 2014. Will they announce Windows 9 before then? Who the hell knows? My money’s on 2015, toward the fall. Could be sooner, but historically, OS’s cycle in 2.5-3 year intervals, excepting XP, which was unusual.

  26. He’s not right that everyone replaces 8, he’s right that corporations sometimes will, which I said. It’s commonplace for that to happen during the first couple of years of a new OS’s cycle. I personally worked on deployments where we replaced Windows 7 with a preconfigured Windows XP image. What, you thin that’s special information? LOL.
    Kids these days. So arrogant, yet so ignorant.

  27. Wow, that’s some shallow thinking, hoss! Let’s put this in simple terms: any device that is powerful enough to do productive work–Surface Pro, for example–is powerful enough to do entertainment. If you can edit 4K video (I can and do, on my Surface Pro 2, which, incidentally, I couldn’t do on my old Macbook Pro, because it chugged too slowly), you can check email, run Angry Birds, yada yada. If it’ll run 3D Studio Max, Photoshop or autocad, it’ll run a news reader.
    Moreover, lots of professionals use tablets for important work. My fiancee is a classically trained illustrator, and she uses a Surface Pro (soon to be Pro 3) for doing digital illustration. Granted, she couldn’t do that on an iPad, because it lacks pressure sensitivity and has no real art software, but she *can* do it on a Surface Pro, which weighs a meager 2 pounds and lets her draw directly on the screen. Go check out Penny Arcade, or the artist who draws Batman ’66 on a Surface Pro (I forget his name. Jonathan something, I think), and tell yourself you can’t do real work on them.
    When I left full time IT to go to film school, I switched to a Surface Pro (now Pro 2 with 8GB/256GB). I can do all my IT client work with it in my off school hours. When I’m on set, I can connect my camera to it and use it as an external monitor for my AC’s to see clearly enough to pull and rack focus. I can use it to download footage off my camera and preview it right there on set so I can decide whether or not I need to shoot again. When I’m done on location, I can sit down with Adobe Premiere and After Effects and process my video, edit it together. If I need a bigger screen I can miracast straight to my 55″ HDTV or plug in an external monitor.
    So tell me again how people can’t do real work on a tablet. Go ahead. Say it.

  28. Nonsense. What many go through is confusion, not hatred, and that dissipates rapidly with a little training. The biggest mistake Microsoft made with 8 was that it had almost no out of the box training when a user signed in for the first time, and since most people grew up on the Windows 9x/xp UI paradigm, they had some shock about the new UI. Hardly a surprise.

    But users are savvy: Teach them how to use it, and show they why they benefit, and they jump on board, no problem.

    Not long ago I had a side client , an 85 year old woman who was frustrated with her new windows 8 computer. The sales clerk didn’t even bother to explain it had touch, how to get apps–nothing (typical Best Buy minimum wage moron). I spent two hours teaching her. A week later she called to tell me thanks and that Windows 8 is the best thing to ever happen to computers.

    Education is everything. Teach SKILLS, not hate.

  29. Android is a Linux. Your protestations can’t change that. It was the openness of the code, the available software toolchains, the drivers and support, the huge developer base that led to it being chosen over all of the alternatives. It powers ChromeOS too. And those things led to Android cleaning Microsoft’s clock and ringing Apple’s bell in mobile.

    It is coming for the smart TV, the Internet of Things and the desktop as well. Just in terms of time to market there is no available competition. Likewise on footprint it has the lightest weight of general purpose operating systems, meaning the lowest of low price and the lowest BOM for the same utility.

    And now coming out are 1440p mobile devices – so the finest display resolution, the broadest device driver support. Even Microsoft is recognizing they have to get their apps and services on this platform to stay relevant so Office is on the way and they even make Android phones now. At the current level of integration Android Linux cannot be stopped. The war is over.

  30. It’s very likely that Windows 9 will be where corporate America jumps into the modern Windows. But in spite of what the trolls around here think, that won’t be an OS that reverts to a Windows 7 style UI. It’ll simply advance the metro UI to the next logical place as they work to excise the legacy desktop.

    Corporations tend to upgrade OS’s in one of two ways: 1. Every other version (most skipped vista and windows 2000, for example, but bought in to xp and 7–eventually). And 2. Through attrition as new hardware replaces old. It’s very unusual to do massive in-place OS upgrades unless there is something substantial to gain.

  31. Pretty epic trolling there, kiddo! When Microsoft introduced Windows, virtually no one had a mouse. Early reviews of nice called them useless and a productivity killer, and plenty of pundits declared the mouse dead on arrival.

    Microsoft’s goal is not to eliminate keyboards and mice. Only an idiot would even SAY such a thing given that Microsoft just weeks ago released a major update to improve what? KEYBOARD AND MOUSE navigation under Windows 8.1. Their goal is the same as ever: To make Windows as flexible as possible so as many users as they can reach have a good reason to use it. Look around you, you ignorant troll. Touch screens are EVERYWHERE. Tablets, phones, laptops, desktop all in ones. They’re becoming more and more common by the day. Had Microsoft ignored that trend, they would be doomed for sure.

    Windows 8 is exactly what it needs to be: The first step toward a single OS ecosystem that seamlessly integrates, keyboard, mouse, touch, voice and even cameras like Kinect.

  32. I work in IT and hate Windows 8, we simply dont support it. If people ask about a tablet I tell them to buy an iPad. Windows Phones do not even need to exist, they dont add value or do anything unique.

  33. If it launches in 2015 as rumored, that’ll be 2.5-3 years. That’s a normal release cycle. XP had an unusually long cycle because Microsoft botched Vista so badly, but it was the exception, not the rule.

  34. Sorry, kid. Try again. Not a MS employee at all. People like you are the trolls. But keep it up, I have an office full of IT pros here laughing at the stupidity in this thread :)

  35. I’m not oblivious at all. However, I do know that external attacks on corporations tend, historically, to attack retail surfaces, where they attempt to gather customer credit card data. These systems are completely separate from data storage in the vein of OneDrive or cloud backups.

    Second, multiple drives fail all the time. I’ve had multiple drives fail in the same storage array *last week*. Moreover, a mechanical hard drive left unused is not going to last a lifetime. Who told you that bullshit? Mechanical drives are subject to decay just like any other, from dust or moisture in the air to electrostatic shocks, to accidental damage from dropping, falling, crushing, being knocked over, spilled on–ten thousand things can happen to a mechanical hard drive. Ever hear of magnets? Goodbye, mechanical hard drive data!

    I’m amazed you’re even talking about things for which you are so amazingly ignorant and naive.

  36. FUNNY, That’s Exactly what they said about Windows 8, & look at what a piece of Crap that turned out
    to be!!!!! One Tech firm who analyses New OS’s said this about Windows 8
    “Windows 8, A Great gift…FOR YOUR ENEMIES”!!!!

  37. You’re obviously right but that doesn’t make Mac a Linux distro or “Linux” at all. In my original comment which Jim completely misunderstood, my point was simply that Apple makes great products because that is the only way they can make sure that people continue buying them. And yeah programmers will do what they love because they love it but at the end of the day, it has to pay the bills. I use a BB10 phone and I understand why developers don’t often make apps for it, or if they do it’s an after thought – because they won’t make as much money. Think about it – if one person is creating an app or tool that they intend to make freely available, whether open source or not, or someone else is making an app that they plan on selling and making money from, which do you think will be more committed to the end product? Obviously it’s not a blanket statement but the chances are the person who is attempting to sell it will do a better job because, well, they need to convince people to buy it.

  38. It wasn’t really a shot at Google so much as a shot at people who think cloud storage is stupid and dangerous but then give credit information to Google Play (or others; I use Google because they are an advertising company) with joy while hating Microsoft for no real reason. The point was simply to say that backing up your documents and files in the cloud is not stupid, in fact it is very smart (in Google Drive or OneDrive or others), and if you are afraid of losing your information you better keep your credit and debit cards in your wallet and off the internet. No Amazon, no Google, no iTunes, Xbox Live, etc.

  39. lol Apple OS is derived from BeOS and Free BSD/Open BSD. Which were the OS of choice at NEXT PC where Jobs went to work after getting dismissed from Apple.

  40. thats not quite true with programers Quite literally programers will do for love what normal folks will only do for money. Its like writers… they will write shit just because they love doing it for the funsies.

  41. it sold 400 million units how many were actually USED.

    How many Win 7 boxes were actually USED versus sold? Up untill last year My company was still wiping win 7 and putting XP to use.

  42. I found Millenium to be Satisfactory if you didnt press it to hard. Good for basic users like my mother and grandmother.. I wouldnt Put it on MY machines cause it would crap itself to often but they never really had issues cause all they did was share pictures of grandkids via Email.

  43. 2 things at once?

    Right now I have 5 IM conversations (manager, Her boss, my co worker and a user asking a stupid question) 2 Browsers (some corporate pages dont work well in Firefox) and am currently in 3 RDP sessions monitoring systems I just build and am installing software on, And 3 VNC settings going with 1 reverse VNC through a VPN connection.

    Windows 8 cant even come CLOSE to handling that without scrolling all over the flipping place.

  44. odds are bill you use your computer as a toy not as a work producing device. and for that Windows 8 is great for media consumption and passive use. But for actual productivity the metro Overlay to the actual Operating system is useless.

  45. Superficially, it does look like a terminal/server model, bt it really isn’t. What we’re seeing now is a hybrid of that model, in which certain functions reside in the cloud and others reside locally. The idea is to blend the best of both worlds. This isn’t a pendulum–it’s a mosaic.

  46. The “company itself” never looks at anything, because the “company itself” isn’t capable of doing such a thing. Only individuals at the company can. And at that, the subset of people with that level of access is EXTREMELY limited. These days, it’s very common for IT departments to be broken up into small SILOs, each with a specific area of responsibility and access to only the resources they require to perform their primary job function. The subset of employees at Microsoft who could sit around and sift through your data is likely *tiny*, and at that, they’d have to pick your data out of the *hundreds of millions* of other customers on their service.
    Barack Obama is more likely to personally review your data than is anyone at Microsoft.

  47. Linux is fine for specific purposes, as are Android, iOS and even Mac OSX. That’s not the point. The point is that these trolls are so immersed in mindless, baseless hate that they refuse to see the benefits of what is, in fact, Microsoft’s best OS to date–Windows 8x

  48. You don’t have to use a bunch of security anything while using Windows 7 or 8. That’s simple ignorance. I’ve personally not had malware of any kind on any PC I’ve owned in over a decade and a half–but then, I’m not a moron.

  49. No. The measure of its success is sales against the competition, NOT against earlier versions. Your argument is complete and total nonsense.
    Moreover, the fact that Windows 8’s market share, verified by independent third parties quarter after quarter, continues to rise, is concrete proof that yes, people DO keep using it.
    As I told someone else regarding corporate America: We NEVER upgrade to a new OS, especially one that dramatically shifts the technology, in year one. It isn’t really until year 2, sometimes year 3, that mass deployments start happening, typically after the release of the first service pack. Windows 7 came out in 2009, but it didn’t start making significant corporate inroads until 2011. Many companies are still in the middle of deploying 7 and will probably wait for 8.5 or 9 (whatever it ends up being called). That said, many organizations are rolling out Windows 8 with their hardware refreshes, as more and more PC’s ship with touch screens and convertible or “2 in 1” form factors.
    Your perspective is very clearly that of an outsider, who doesn’t work in the industry and doesn’t understand how these things happen. I’ve been doing this for nearly 20 years. I know the patterns and industry very, very well. I’ve personally been involved with the rollout of hundreds of thousands of OS updates, from the bottom end as deployment tech to the higher end as management and strategy planning. You are simply wrong, based on incomplete information and a flawed understanding of how large organizations deal with software and hardware upgrades.

  50. If they are encrypted they also have the encryption key.

    Fails basic security you do not give the key and the lock to someone else

  51. not to mention Even the BEST Voice recognition software can not handle Regional Dialects. I speak FLUENT bawlmerese as well as standard english. SIRI cant handle anything but standard English And Dragon Naturally Speaking will straight out Lock up if i switch into bawlmerese or NEWYAWK or Brooklyneese Sterotypical Italianamerican.

  52. at heavy subsidy per device. the phone companies get something like 150 bucks a device discount for selling phones with a Windows OS on them.

  53. Jason If its selling slower than its predecessors its not a success, OSX is a small market Product Actual Apple Desktops, Linux, because its largely free doesn’t get sold that often Last i saw it for sale anywhere was Redhat 8 or 9 which shows how long ago that was.

    Win 8 becase it comes on Virtually EVERY PC SOLD of course its going to outsell almost everything. Your flawed argument presumes people KEEP using Windows 8 after they buy a new Machine When Almost every CORPORATE purchaser will Wipe the Drive and install their OS of choice (often windows 7) Most home users wont but then home users are generally retards who use thier PC for an entertainment device rather than actual Productive work. (most corporate users are retards too)

  54. I don’t know what you are talking about when you say apps, security for just 1 year. I spent more on ink catridges in a year than I have spent on Microsoft software (still using Office 2003…works great) in 10 years. When I upgrade to Window 7, only cost me $140…..for 3 licenses and when I upgraded to Windows 8 it was only $39.99…..that isn’t a whole lot of money if you look at the whole picture. Microsoft has made many of their products free…i.e. Microsoft security which is a amazing program. Comcast (whom I have) has given me a license for Norton (which I don’t use) if I wanted it. Now, if I want to buy a high end program (i.e. solidworks) I will fork out some serious cash….but not to MS themselves.

  55. WOW….this is kinda entertaining…and fight between WIndows/Linux and not Apple and android (sort of). Who cares how many degrees someone has or what marketshare one OS has over the others. They all serve their purpose for the target market. I use Photoshop, Illustrator and SolidWorks….I need a powerful system, so I use a killer laptop with an SSD drive. I have a Samsung Note 3 for my phone and an iPad for all my other stuff. They all 3 exisit in their own OS universer fine. I would never think of doing photoshop on a tablet or smartphone or writing more than a few lines of an email on a smartphone or tablet….but then again, I don’t play Candy crush or farm animal heroes on my PC either. What I like and have touted for many years is that when Apple does something, Android and Windows will copy…..what Android does, Apple will copy….and so on and so on!…..we all win. What bothers me with the LINUX community, they are so dang millitant……”It was free, the office like products are free…..blah blah…look at me…I am a purist”. Unfortunately, in the real world, Linux isn’t a mainstream OS….it is a great backend OS for sure….no doubt about it.

  56. If you believe everything microsoft says, that tells me ALOT about you!! reminds me of a commercial on the tv where the lady says, “they can’t put it on the internet if it’s not TRUE”:-) LOL

  57. If you dislike Windows 8 there really is no logic in using Ubuntu. The only possible complaint you can have about W8 is the UI (which is subjective) and the UI in Ubuntu is similar but much slower and more difficult to use. You want to start talking about Mint and I’ll understand, but choosing Ubuntu over W8, with a similar but shittier UI makes no sense and a lot of long time Linux users would agree with that. Lastly using Linux does not save you money unless you are building a desktop PC which few people do these days except gamers, who need Windows at least as a dual installation.

  58. The key word there is PAY for! I use Linux for everything, and do not have to PAY one single dime to use it, other than buying a blank DVD or USB stick to download it to. I also dont worry about paying for all the security that you have to have when using windows! Hackers are looking for people that are only using windows because they are the Majority, meaning they can do more damage and make more MONEY by hacking windows users! Linux is safe and secure becaues of that fact alone.

  59. The direction PCs are going (at least these days) is toward centralized processing. The modern term today is “cloud,” but the concept is not all that much different from a central computer with a bunch of terminals. The hardware on your desk will have a network interface and not a heck of a lot more. The computing will be done on a server.

  60. Idawanna Tellya — You sound just like ME:-) It is very easy to “switch” , there are alot of youtube video’s online that can walk you through the process. Once I found out about Linux and found out I could do everything I could do with windows, I started what they call “duelbooting” Linux/windows, I can use “either” one on the same PC with just one keystroke* I use UBUNTU 14.04, 95% of the time now. Three years ago I did not know anything about PC’s period, and was always worryed about what I do if I lost my windows OS, you also have to understand I am on a fixed income so MONEY to have to replace windows would have taken MONEY that I have to use to EAT!!:-) But now I could care less weather I have windows or not, I paid ZERO for my first Linux OS two years ago and now have a collection of about 15 different Linux OS’s that I can use on my PC at anytime or anybodys PC. Once you have downloaded the version you want to try and burned it to DVD or USB, you DO NOT have to install it onto your hard drive to take it for a test drive:-) Linux uses what they call – LIVE OS – Very easy:-) Just follow the directions!!!!!! Just do a little research and find out how easy it really is to start using Linux you will be HAPPY:-) you did and so will your wallet$$$$$$ OH and by the way GOD BLESS PS- I am on facebook if you have any ????? contact me I would be more than happy to HELP jim frederick

  61. Why don’t you actually set up a coffee shop with free wifi and see how people actually USE their computers. Ask them what they are doing. Show them something you are working on with Win8. Get lists of wants and notwants from your paying customers as they use their computers.

    All my machines are win7. Win8 is designed for tablets. And that’s fine if I buy a tablet. But trying to make me have only two windows open at a time and swiping with the mouse? That simply isn’t how I work. I need 7 windows open and I click between them on the screen AND the taskbar. Making it so I cannot do that anymore is a step backwards for computers. And trying to cram a touch interface onto all computers makes as much sense as trying to cram a mouse onto every cellphone would have been in the mid 90s — common look and feel, right?

  62. Windows 8 has sold more copies in a few months than OS X has ever sold, so apparently your claim that Windows 8 is a complete failure and the data supports it couldn’t be any more wrong.

  63. There is no need to make two separate OS’s, but with the way that Windows 8 launched, they should have kept marketing Windows 7 for desktops.

    What they needed to do was refine the UI more prior to launch so they are not still actively finishing the UI development after the launch of Windows 8.

    They could have released two completely different UIs on Windows 8. It wouldn’t slow anything down for the users and it’s not too terribly difficult, you just don’t load the one you don’t use. But the problem was they were in a rush to get Windows 8 out. Windows 9 should either have two UIs, or better options for both tablet and PC users off the bat.

    Windows 8 was a huge step towards the future, but they weren’t thinking about legacy keyboard and mouse users which really cost them.

  64. No, it won’t. The world’s been going cloud for a while, people like having data available on the fly or being able to get it wherever they go. People have tablets, and cell phones, and even laptops and hybrid laptop-tablets these days. This is not the year 1990, or even 2005 anymore.

    Microsoft once thought like you did too, and they were wrong and proven so and they ended up releasing a rushed Windows 8 to get on track years too late after the fact, and ended up finishing their UI development long after release just to get the OS out there in a timely manner. Even so, there’s so many things that Windows 8 did do right as well, just not for the keyboard and mouse users.

    I would bank on Windows 9 to correct these problems from launch, because the problems with Windows 8 are so obvious that the only way they could make the same mistakes would be if they don’t care enough to fix it, and they would lose a lot of money.

  65. Sounds like you need to learn to use Windows 8 to me. Half of these “problems” are things I learned to do in my first 30 minutes of using the OS.

    There are a lot of valid complaints, mostly for keyboard and mouse users and most of them have long been corrected. Incompetent users is not one of them.

  66. You think Windows 9 will automatically be a failure because they’re targeting multiple devices? You don’t think that they will learn from Windows 8 and correct the problems with 8 across devices in Windows 9, and just release a service pack to Windows 8?

    Honestly, they can have one OS that runs different shell programs and works equally well on both, that’s not impossible, or even difficult as long as they approach it the right way. So tell me, how does that mean Windows 9 will not correct Windows 8’s mistakes? Windows 8 mistake was focusing on tablet users and forgetting about keyboard and mouse users — simply a bad business decision.

    If you want a PC what works like your definition of a “PC”, stick with Windows XP and stop complaining. Seriously.

  67. Two billion customers use -windows- because thats what comes on the majority of all computers,laptops etc. Everybody is not computer techs and do not no anything about other OS’s. But, most Linux OS’s are very user friendly, it just takes a little of your time to do some research and find out how easy Linux is to operate, that is if you want to SAVE MONEY like I do! Add up all you spend using anything microsoft,apps,security just for one year, then research what it cost to operate using Linux, OH and by the way Linux is totally FREE Research! :-) Research! Or is everybody just to busy nowadays:-) :-)

  68. When people start installing newer versions of Windows (Windows 8, and probably 9) on devices made for them, the perfection will change. Windows 8 has essentially two user perspectives, Surface Pro owners (awesome) and desktop users (terrible). Of course, there’s been so many improvements already for desktop users, and more coming…

  69. The problem with Linux is it sucks because it is free. Everyone who uses Linux and Android (which is not given as a gift to poor people; they want your data) seems to have this problem with paying for things but the truth is, if people don’t make money doing something than they will do it half ass and it won’t be a good product. That was the view of Bill Gates and Steve Jobs, and after a few decades it has proven true. I’m not an Apple user myself but I respect their business because they create brilliant products that people are willing to pay for – the fact is that they have to make a top of the line product in order to sell it. Other companies push out garbage at bargain bin prices (both Windows and Android) and only sell due to miniscule price.

  70. I’d point out that powershell is far more powerful than DOS ever was :). But that said, my point isn’t that everyone has to like it. My point is that all this hate is ridiculous. Windows 8 is different. That’s life. I think hating instead of learning is a waste of time.

  71. Nope. Surface devices are ALL profitable on a per device basis. Xbox one was losing money at launch, but probably is profitable by now (PS4 is, and it’s a better, more powerful system!). And Microsoft profits when Lenovo, HP or Dell sell a Windows 8 tablet, laptop, desktop or all in one. If it’s got a screen over 9″, Microsoft profits on the OS and every app users buy. If it’s under 9″, they make money off every app users buy. You may have missed this, but Microsoft’s recent financials were excellent, with billions in profit. Just like the quarter before that, and the quarter before that.

  72. Quicker than OSX. Quicker than Linux. And really, 200 million in 14 months is a terrific success. Whether previous versions sold faster or not is irrelevant.

    Want another metric? It’s taken iPad almost FOUR YEARS to sell as many units as Windows 8 did in in 14 months. Guess iPad is a total failure, huh?

  73. I also use Linux as my main OS, and I am not a IT guy. microsoft is nothing but money hungry &^@##%&’s — I personally enjoy all the extra money I get to spend on other things, because I dont have to BUY!!!! all the extra security CRAP you have to have while using anything windows. LINUX is FREE period!!! :-)

  74. Ah. Well then, I guess we should just take away options and force everyone to learn it one specific way so indecisive crybabies don’t have to engage their brains.

    More choices = flexibility = adaptability to more customers’ needs.

  75. Yeah I don’t think Microsoft is going to steal my third year public policy essay out of my OneDrive to be honest. Though I suggest you don’t keep a list of all your credit cards, debit card, PIN and online banking password in there, just to be safe (only give it unconditionally to Google). And btw, if you wanted less choices to make it easier, you’ll be happy to know that Windows 8 has a settings menu that is much simpler to use than the powerful but very cluttered control panel

  76. LOL wow. Really? Off the top, windows 8x can easily show multiple apps on screen, side by side. It can show up to 4, in fact, on a single screen, depending on the size of your monitor. You can easily use a desktop and metro app, two or more metro apps, or simply work in the desktop where you can run unlimited apps.

    But hey, way to rely on a lie for your “argument”

  77. Oh I’m not saying doing it on a phone is in any way ideal, lol. It’s a good option for making minor edits or reviewing material on the go. One might start laying out an outline, for example. The value they’re is in the time you save being productive while you’re in between access to your desktop or laptop.

  78. Here are new features Microsoft should introduce in Windows 9
    -Turn on Desktop Mode for desktop/laptop computers and 2-1 laptops running on laptop mode
    -Turn on Tablet UI mode for tablet computers and 2-1 laptops running on tablet UI mode
    -Work with OEM’s to make Windows 9 free to customers who already have Windows 7 and 8.x desktop or laptop computers
    Desktop Mode (For desktop and laptop computers and 2-1 laptops using laptop mode)
    -Re-designed O.S. and web browser icons and logos
    -Re-designed Control panel and it’s functions with major improvements
    -Re-designed File Explorer with major improvements
    -Re-designed desktop mode IE with new icons, user interface improvements and sharing capabilities
    -New keyboard and mouse friendly notification center similar to Mac OSX
    -Ability to run Modern UI apps in desktop windows with new pure keyboard and mouse support similar to what Mac OS X Yosmite has
    -Ability to organize your desktop applications in groups
    -Support for newer next generation re-invented desktop programming language that is similar to Apple Swift
    -Enhanced taskbar on desktop
    -Ability to do system recovery in 10-20 seconds without worrying about loosing your personal data
    -Windows App store tweeked and optimized for mouse and keyboard user base
    -Pictures Modern UI app removed and replaced with re-designed Pictures windowed app on desktop computers with major enhancements
    -Calculator Modern UI app removed and replaced with re-designed and re-ramped windowed calculator app on desktop computers
    -The same thing applies to all other Microsoft built-in Modern UI apps
    -Enhanced search Window on Windows 9 for desktop computers which allows you to search for everything on your computer and the internet
    -Ability to send text messages on desktop computer
    -Re-designed windowed Calendar app with major improvements on Windows 9 for desktop/laptop computers
    -Movie Moments replaced with re-designed and enhanced windowed Movie moments desktop app
    -Brand new ways to find your files on your One drive
    -Re-designed windowed one drive app
    -Ability to make phone calls, send text messages and ability to pick up right where you were working on your smartphone and tablet
    -Ability to turn on your portable hotspot on your smartphone from your laptop
    Tablet UI (Windows 9 tablets and 2-1 laptops using tablet mode)
    -New and redesigned notification center
    -Major updates to Tablet UI apps
    -Re-designed IE 12
    -Removal of Ability to turn off your tablet by holding power button
    -Integrated sharing capabilities
    This is what Microsoft will and should do on Windows 9 for sure.

  79. Microsoft seen all the money that tablets, and phone where making on apps, and made the bad call that PC users must want a tablet/phone OS on their pc. So it looks just like their phone and tablets! plus they could use the os on the things with out extra work. Guess they where wrong.

    Besides my PC looking like my tablet and phone, and all the other things wrong with 8. The START menu was the most baffling, it was a one button click to all programs, most used software, updates, a fast command line, and so many other things. To replace that with large buttons that where obviously made for touch screens, is more then stupid.

    I really hope win9 is made for PC’s this time around, and made for people of at least immediate knowledge of a pc. This is after all 2014 now, most of the population has basic pc knowledge unlike 20-30 years ago.

    One thing i do know is, i wont be charging out to buy any new OS until months or years later, since most recently paid $$ for the os your now trying to bury and get ready to make more $$ of your next os. Until i hear some great news ill just sit with 7.

  80. Jason you are incorrect
    SAS Quality center, and any of the RATIONAL, TIBCO, Oracle, IRISE All software development suites and Qualtity control software that do not have a product that works with Win 8 as of this time. FFS Quality center doesnt even have a 64 bit compatibility.

  81. Jason its 2014 Im a mid level tech Ive migrated 2000 people in the last 5 months. If you are only dealing with 1000 people a year you are either working your own Shop OR you are the slowest tech ive ever dealt with.

  82. JasonGW: portions of what you say are also true but, dude, you use as much hyperbole as everyone else here. And quite a bit more, since you’ve responded to almost every post in the thread. Yes, you cite some facts, tho at times quite misleading ones that show a lack of business acumen when it comes to the markets that Microsoft deals in**, but otherwise you come across as having an alternative agenda, just like the rest of us.

    A lot of people do dislike Windows 8 UI design, especially on PCs. No it’s not just a ‘training’ issue. And yes this is actually important because these days an OS is more than it’s kernel — eg, it’s ability to manage memory or multitask processes. An OS is a platform: a unified user interface design and development environment, and an API for developers to create their own apps that follow that UI model. Windows 8 has in part suffered because the Metro UI makes use via mouse awkward. This is NOT a disputed trait of the OS. It was so well-known even by MS themselves that they aggressively pushed laptop makers to put out laptops with touchscreens, with the hope that touchscreens would become ubiquitous. This was one of Microsoft’s key strategies for their Win8 release. Of course, people in office environments, tethered to desks, aren’t going to switch to touchscreens, and so it’s really quite natural that they feel pretty well left out in the cold by MS.

    Windows 8 has also suffered in part because the Metro API under-the-hood is has a very steep learning curve compared to competing touch-based OS’es (Android, iOS). The complexity is largely due to Windows desire and insistence to be a one-OS-fits-all solution. Developing an feature-rich app that works “well” from a desktop PC and a small smartphone alike can be surprisingly challenging. This has limited the amount of quality touch-based app development for Windows 8’s actual preferred target group: mobile devices.

    So yes, Windows 8 runs all the standard Windows desktop apps. But Microsoft quite intentionally made Windows 8 more awkward to navigate from a mouse-controlled PC (in order to favor touch), and a lot of people weren’t all too happy with those changes. Yes they are subtle changes to some folks, but to many people who perform thousands of clicks a day across a myriad of mouse-driven apps, it feels like (and is) a step in the wrong direction; and Windows8 improved memory footprint doesn’t overcome it. These people have every right to feel unhappy with the product. Second, Windows 8 doesn’t yet have a great breadth of touch-based apps for mobile. And while the tiled Metro UI is actually charming on a phone (tho some people dislike it aesthetically), developing for it is still more significantly more costly than for Android or iOS in terms of engineering skill level and manpower investment required.

    ** such as the assumption that 200 million sales of Windows 8 is somehow a great stat for a company like MS. The amount of money invested and the model the use of selling most of those at steep discount to device manufacturers, combined with the necessity to have a large user-base to established a “platform” that will attract 3rdparty developers to invest their own time&energy into developing for the OS, means that they really need to be in the 500 million area — and ideally MOST of those on touch-based devices — in order to give 3rdparty SW devs a good motivation to write apps for the mobile audiences. Either that or they’ll have to significantly revise the scope of their Windows OS development business model. Mac OS-X, for example, which is developed & maintained using a tiny fraction of Microsoft’s budget, can in turn be happy with a tiny fraction of Windows sales. That’s nothing new, and citing stats like that won’t win you any arguments… least not with people with their thinking caps on. Tho maybe you’re not so interested in that, and just prefer being the most visible (and obnoxious) poster in this small pond of comments.

  83. Now I know you are full of crap

    “IT professionals don’t whine and bitch about operating systems, we learn
    how they work and we adapt. We typically make the decision to move
    toward a new OS version only after it receives its first service pack,
    which typically happens about 2 years after launch. ”

    You havent worked anywhere but inside microsoft or the federal government Because IT Pros Whine like there is no tommorow.

  84. Justin by the time Win 7 is replace we will likely be on Windows 10 or 11. MOST corporations will run Win7 untill it is no longer supported publicly and wll then have the support extended some year and a half after that.

  85. Actually Hes right. My company buys about 20thousand machines a year ALL with whatever software it came with. Windows 8 is the predominate OS on systems we buy. We wipe that machine and put our own office configured OS (Win7) on the system for which we have a bulk license.

  86. Why would you use the same OS for WORK as you do for entertainment Tablets are not used for WORK they are the LEAST useful for doing work on due to limited imput method and limited screen space they are excellent for consumption of entertainment and reading material.

  87. you could but its going to be an illegible mess Jason and any decent typist will have it typed out faster on a standard word processor. AND will have it edited faster too.

  88. Regarding “the corporation recently announced that it was slashing the price of its smartphones” – FYI: Microsoft does not sell smartphones and therefore, this statement is pure fiction. Get a clue.

  89. Its inability to do show more than one thing at a time on screen Its reliance on multiple Operating environments. (which is the same as the old Overlays like MS BOB and other Overlay environments)

  90. Jason. MORE choice makes it harder to use. Thats why places with HUGE menus have people staring at the menue trying to decide what they want to eat.

  91. Jason you are simply going back to the Dummy terminal/Server paradigm of the early 80s late 70s. Cloud computing isnt new nor innovative. and the issue will swing back the other way from cloud to local for the same reason it swung to local storage back then. Security. and reliability.

  92. I sell computers for a living, and I can attest that 80%+ of the people coming in to buy a new computer cant stand Windows 8, even if they have never seen it until now. Not a day goes by without someone coming in to ask if they can buy something with Win 7 installed. I understand and agree that people dont always like change, but in this case, their universal hatred of the UI surpasses any issues they had with XP or 95.

  93. Voice operation and a unified single OS for all platforms? Ugh. Sounds like Microsoft hasn’t learned any lessons at all, actually.

  94. I’m curious, what do think of the Steam OS, while not a replacement for your standard desktop by any means. I am interested to see how that affect Linux market share.

  95. I don’t think Win8 will have the same success rate as Win7 into corporate america, only because of the current image Win8 has to a degree, plus some other factors. I think that with Win9 on the horizon, Corporate America will wait for 9 to be vetted and upgrade to that, assuming 9 is successful.

  96. There are a few things that Win8 does different from Win7 that makes it harder for business to use (something to do with server integration, but I’m not an IT professional). However Win8 runs everything better because the overall system has much lighter footprint in terms of hardware and memory usage, allowing apps to gobble up the freed up resources. Windows 7 in contrast is a huge resource hog.

  97. Or, you are a mouth breather that only uses his “puter” for internet related crap.

    The difference between going from DOS to Windows and from Windows 3 to Windows 95 is that ALL THE TECH was already in consumers hands and was a natural progression.
    Less than .1% of computer owners have a touchscreen, and its something that can acutally be used for their profession like graphic design. Less than .5% will NEED a touchscreen in the next few years. There is NOTHING being made for the PC that will get people to buy them and who the FUCK is going to go buy a Kinect for their PC so the damn PC can see them, recognize them to automatically bring up their profile?

    THAT is the vision of MS. Its right on their website.
    RIght alongside the statement that its the goal of Microsoft to make the PC world a click/type less world.
    Well, where is that magical voice recognition software that understand everything everyone says in every language?!? And, even IF someone does create software that can do that, it will NOT REPLACE the keyboard.
    Most professionals can type far faster than they can talk, and who the hell wants to work in an environment where dozens and even HUNDREDS of people are all talking to their computers at the same time?!?

    Microsoft has forgotten what the fuck PCs are used for.

  98. It seems not only that you are a paid MS troll, but you have very poor reading comprehension. He said he uses Windows 95, not that it is his preferred OS. Next time try reading, it helps.

  99. 64bit’s top limitation for ram is 16 Exabytes. That’s XB, not GB (gigabyte), TB (terabyte) or PB (petabyte). Remember: 1000GB = 1 Terabyte, 1000TB = 1 Petabyte, 1000PB = 1 Exabyte.

    So there is quite a ways to go before 64 bit reaches its max amount of RAM.

  100. You say you work IT, but you seem to be totally oblivious to how many attacks these large corporations get. Do you honestly believe that your data will always be secure up in the cloud? Just like how you could totally trust Target when you bought stuff using your credit card? The truth is, you do not work at all of these companies and know very little the steps they are taking to protect your information versus the steps they say they are taking. I would much rather have multiple backups at home, since the chances of two drives failing at once is almost nonexistent. To add to that, a mechanical hard drive will not wear out during the period that it is not used. So a seldom used drive, stored in a good environment has the potential to almost last a lifetime. Use an SSD for all of the other things, which will not fail like a mechanical drive. (Unlike and HDD, an SSD, depending on the technology used, will lose memory over time, even when not in use.)

  101. I see, I see. You are trying much to hard to defend MS. They messed up, admit it. What they should have done is not force people with desktop computers to boot straight into a touchscreen environment. What they should have done is, when Windows 8 was released, was to boot straight into desktop mode. Not doing so is what caused this gigantic backlash that Windows 8, in whatever form, will never recover from, ever.

  102. Foolishly keep all of your data in the cloud good sir. Major companies never get hacked and data is never stolen. Keep deluding yourself.

  103. Typical uneducated IT guy. Android is not Linux, but it still is. Android does not run on the Linux Kernel, it runs on a heavily modified Linux kernel. And why oh why would it need to be able to run Linux applications when it is a mobile OS with a vast, very very vast array of its own applications?

  104. I’ve been building custom desk-tops since Windows 95. 98 worked, I ran 2000 on my own system for 6 years. Millennium? disaster, XP pro, yes, Vista? on a dual boot system, Vista ran slower then XP, Windows 7? .love it, I installed 8 on a new system, 3 months later I backed it down to 7.
    I figure with the way they’ve been releasing operating systems, 9 should work.

  105. Windows 7

    You can turn off Internet Explorer.

    Control panel
    Go to programs and features
    Control panel home

    view installed updates
    Turn Windows features on or off.
    There’s allot of crap that installs automatically, turning off the things you don’t need reduces the base load on the system.
    I don’t use a tablet, it’s turned off

  106. Jim is correct when he says 8 should have been aborted. I am a Windows 8 user now for 7 months, and it remains a nightmare. Just tonight I had a full screen pdf, and, could not print it out. With the plus sign I managed to enlarge it…right off the page (big)…but then could not move the window to the other side of the screen without the window resizing and repositioning itself. It’s incompatible. Pictures were bad enough before but try navigating, and it another nightmare. Documents, the same. It’s so useless the way it sits, I’ve seriously consider getting rid of it, and reclaiming the real estate it’s taking up.
    NOTHING was made, ‘easier to do’…except for turning it on, and getting you to the start page in just a few seconds. Imagine THAT!
    Microsoft needs to get in touch with people who actually USE a computer from day to day b/c as it stands now, it is NOT user friendly.

  107. I know a few people who have switched to Windows phones and they all love it. Personally I think tiles are hideous on phone or pc. I use Win. 7 but the communal house pc is win 8. I don’t hate it. I think Jason’s right, it’s a step in the right direction making phones more functional, pc’s more approachable to laymen and a unified theory across all hardware.

    When I use 8 I use the desktop and am actually more comfortable in DOS and command than I am in the tile setting. Might be different if I had a touchscreen. Just because I don’t like this incarnation of it doesn’t mean it’s wrong.

    I hate cloud computing and storage for several reasons but that doesn’t mean it’s wrong per se. Legal, warrantless searches of all the data stored makes it wrong. I also miss going to Borders and buying random CDs cause I like the cover. I miss the smell of a new CD but digital is better for the environment, easier, less social though. idk. I’m getting off on a nostalgic tangent.

  108. I don’t think you’re going to have much luck talking to the people here though I appreciate your posts.

    I don’t like everything you’ve said but I have to agree because you’re correct. The only thing I don’t like is Windows 8 but I know plenty of people who do. I still make my builds with Win7. I too didn’t like XP at first because it doesn’t have true DOS. Command prompt is fine though.

  109. Microsoft doesn’t have a history of forcing anyone to do anything when it comes to end users and Windows. The OS has always been designed for one thing above all else: flexibility in a wide range of needs areas. That’s why it has the broadest compatibility with hardware of any OS out there, the biggest range of addon peripherals and software, etc.
    I think what you’ll find in Windows 9 is this:
    1. a full merge of the mobile and PC OS cores and primary API’s, allowing for universal apps (we’re already 77% of the way there, as of 8.1 Update 1 and Windows Phone 8.1)
    2. Extension of the metro UI into the desktop, with a vector scaling model that allows the UI to adapt more easily to any screen size and resolution, much as Metro already does.
    3. API’s targeted at bringing legacy apps into the modern UI app world. I don’t know if that means we’ll see .exe based apps in the app store, but who knows? It’s possible, though I tend to think they’ll avoid doing that, instead leaving those for legacy installers.
    4. Better built-in training for new users, to help them get around. The single biggest failure of Windows 8 is that when it launched, it offered almost *zero* automatic training for end users.
    5. The OS will continue to get slimmer, leaner, lighter and faster.

  110. 1. What the hell are you smoking? Windows 8 runs ALL line of business apps that Windows 7 will run. It is not in any way limited to email, facebook and browsing. Have you ever even USED the thing?
    2. No, all companies do not agree that Windows 8 isn’t usable in a business environment. I’ve deployed it to dozens of businesses, and guess what? They use it in a BUSINESS environment. Medical and dental offices, construction companies, insurance brokerages–even an aircraft parts manufacturer whose business depends on programming CNC machines to create parts designed in AutoCAD–which runs great on Windows 8, thank you very much–are using it.
    Seriously, stop with the hyperbole and absolutely ignorant slamming of the damned OS. It’s a TOOL, it’s designed to offer a broad range of possibilities to end users in a wide variety of circumstances, and it DOES that.
    I personally use Windows 8 on a Surface Pro 2 (soon to be 3) with 8GB RAM and 256GB SSD to do:
    A. Programming of network equipment–routers, access points, intelligent switches, etc.
    B. Documentation for processes, including anything MS office (Word, Excel, Powerpoint)
    C. Editing and processing video from 1080p to 4K (depends on the project) using Adobe Premiere and After Effects.
    D. Recording and editing of audio
    And that’s just my handful of top tasks. Windows 8 is immensely usable–IF you stop whining about how it’s different and devote your energy to *learning* how to make it work for you.

  111. I don’t work for MS, troll. You have no idea what you’re talking about, which is typical for a whining crybaby like yourself. The fact is this: touch brings an element of ease of use to a variety of occupations. All? No, of course not. But many. Some key examples where touch makes a great deal of sense are in medical and dental facilities, where doctors often need rapid access to patient records in confined spaces that don’t allow for a full computer to be present. A touch based device, such as the Surface Pro line, for example, can navigate that space easily, allow access to many kinds of medical practice and patient management softwares, and can be easily sanitized between patients.
    Yes, yes, you trolls like to pretend that everybody who buys a Windows 8 computer magically downgrades it to Windows 7. You same trolls claimed people bought Win95 computers and downgraded to 3.1, or who bought XP computers downgraded them to Windows 98. As was the case back then, you’re wrong. The evidence is in a simple fact: quarter after quarter, Windows 8 market share as measured by web usage reports from a variety of independent sources, while Windows XP share is in substantial and rapid decline. It won’t be more than a year before Windows 8 eclipses XP.
    It’s funny to have a troll like you lecture me about how businesses deal with computers. I’ve worked in corporate America’s IT factory for close to 20 years, and I know well how it works. Yes, we sometimes buy PC’s with one OS and downgrade to whatever our corporate standard of the moment is. No, it has nothing to do with hating an OS or finding it unusable. IT professionals don’t whine and bitch about operating systems, we learn how they work and we adapt. We typically make the decision to move toward a new OS version only after it receives its first service pack, which typically happens about 2 years after launch. Even the much loved Windows 7, which was a great OS, too, did not find its way into corporate America rapidly. It was release in 2009, yet didn’t start making inroads into corporate America until 2011/12. That rollout is in many places still underway, leaving little surprise that Windows 8 hasn’t had huge corporate uptake. We simply do not move rapidly on new OS deployments, which usually happen once an OS has reached a certain level of maturity and critical mass. Even Windows XP launched to slow sales and huge amounts of user hatred. People loathed its “candy” UI and the fact that it eliminated DOS from the picture in favor of the far more robust Windows NT kernel.
    Long story short: you’re clinging to fantasies if you think that Windows 8 isn’t making inroads. The numerous independent metrics prove that it is.

  112. I am also having a hard time believing that out of 1000 people, all of them are satisfied with Windows 8. Unless these peoples’ computing needs consist only of email, Facebook, and general Internet browsing, there is no possible way that what you say is true. Windows 8 is simply not usable in a business environment, and almost all companies agree on that.

  113. @ JasonGW, take your paid trolling for Microsoft elsewhere. Most people who use a computer to do anything productive have no use for a “touch device” or an “ecosystem” or any of the other BS which Windows 8 is designed to offer. Even Windows XP–which is now 13 years old and no longer receives updates–is much more useful for running business applications than Windows 8 will ever be.

    BTW, a lot of the “sales” of Windows 8 which you are claiming DO NOT correspond to actual people running Windows 8. Tens of millions of computers are purchased by businesses–with an OS preinstalled–but then reimaged with a different OS before being put into service. Most of these computers came with a Windows 8 license, but Windows 8 was replaced with Windows 7 (or possibly another OS) before the computer was assigned to an employee. Microsoft, however claims these copies of Windows 8 were “sold to end users” despite the fact that they were never wanted, and are not being used.

  114. Microsoft did not “almost die” from Windows Vista. It sold over 400 million units in its lifetime, despite being a legitimately awful operating system that truly deserved to die.
    Windows 8 was a step in the right direction. It continued Windows 7’s trend of reducing the size and complexity of the operating system, and streamlining the services it needs to run. It’s reduced its memory footprint by half since launch (at launch, Windows 8 devices, like Windows 7 devices, needed 2GB RAM as a minimum, and 32GB storage. Now, 8.1 with Spring Update 2014 runs in just 1GB RAM and 16GB storage), increased the range of hardware it runs on, and has made Windows 8 free for devices with screens under 9″.
    People who think Windows 9 will just be “windows 7, rehash edition” are going to be very disappointed.

  115. Windows 8 doesn’t force you to do anything. The cloud is merely one facet of the experience, and one that offers a lot of excellent benefits that most people can get a lot of mileage out of.
    Additionally, Windows has no hope of using a lot of data relative to the data we consume streaming Netflix, Hulu, Youtube, etc. The traffic generated by services like OneDrive, Dropbox, etc is minimal by comparison. Moreover, go read MS’s terms of service. They don’t spy on you. If you want spying, go with Google.
    There is NOTHING forced about the integration of cloud services, particularly in the case of Windows 8, which works whether you use its cloud features or not.

  116. ROFL! You’re such a silly little troll. A new OS is suddenly going to supplant Microsoft by… copying Microsoft’s old software from 12 years ago and 5 years ago? That’s hilarious. Keep trolling, you are one FUNNY little ignoramus :).

  117. cant wait until someone comes out with a new OS like windows XP/7. microsoft will fade away and the world will be a happy place once again. maybe HP will hit a home run.

  118. Except–wait for it–you’re wrong there, too. Windows Phone is the fastest growing mobile OS. It’s overtaken iPhone in a handful of European countries and it’s outselling iPhone in 24 countries around the world, more than double the rate it was a year ago.
    Meanwhile, Windows 8 sales are now approaching 300 million sold. They broke 200 million back in January.
    But by all means, troll-keep spewing your ignorant FUD.

  119. you think you know what your talking about. but all I hear is self righteous bullshit.
    go sit in the corner Jason, while the grown ups talk.

  120. No, what we need is a single, well supported ecosystem that works whether you’re on a touch device or one that uses keyboard and mouse, whether you’re on a 5″ phone or a 30″ monitor, an Atom powered 7″ tablet or a Core i7 powered desktop with 32GB RAM.
    Windows 8 is far, FAR from unusable. On the contrary, it’s fast, efficient, and is the leanest version of Windows in years. Each release has lowered the barriers to entry, running on broader ranges of hardware. Windows 8.1 can now run on devices with as little as 1GB RAM and 16GB storage. Try that with Win 7 or Vista. Hell, try it with Mac OSX Mountain Lion or Mavericks. Go ahead.
    The only people having trouble adapting are whiny, know-nothing trolls who prefer to bitch instead of learning something new. You were the same people who threw a tantrum when the Start Menu was *introduced*. The same people who had a fit when XP did away with DOS and went full on NT. The same people whose heads exploded when XP SP2 rebuilt the whole security model of Windows and demanded a higher standard.
    And you know how effective you were at stopping progress? Not at all.

  121. Everyone either has an android or Iphone.
    windows has NO business in the phone business, period.
    and they are crashing into a wall with the Major screw up they like to call Windows Tile..oops..I mean, Windows 8.

  122. Your ignorance is pretty fantastic, I like it. Keep going! Do explain, in clear, precise, technical terms, what is so terrible about Windows 8? Come on, boy, I’m all ears.

  123. First, Microsoft didn’t screw anyone. They adapted to the changing needs of the market.
    Second, your argument is that “thousands” switched to Ubuntu? Seriously, kiddo, we’re talking about a market in which nearly two BILLION customers use Windows, and you think a few *thousand* is something to brag about? LOL.

  124. JasonGW:: You meant to say…..

    Microsoft is on the wrong track. What we need is a single, well
    supported OS that lets us get work done.
    and another OS that is in a tablet/tile form.
    Windows 8 was a ignorant, and totally unusable OS, step in the wrong direction. Each update has only made it much worse.

  125. Microsoft almost died when it came out with Vista. it then had the best OS since XP, Windows 7.
    then it decided every PC user needed a tablet as their PC.
    that was a Major mistake.
    now they are trying to make windows 9, to fix their screwup.
    if they don’t make the PC a PC , Microsoft will fail to the point of bankruptcy.
    make a OS with tiles like windows 8, and call it the tablet PC.
    and make a OS like windows 7 and call it a desktop.
    Very Easy solution.

  126. Wrong. I owned a Windows phone 7 device (Samsung focus), and now own a Nokia Lumia 2020. You CANNOT delete IE off either version. ALL browsers on Windows phone use the IE rendering core. You cannot change that fact. On Windows 7 for PC you can hide access to IE, but you cannot remove it.

  127. The data has spoken. And you know what it says? It says that Windows 8 to date has sold at a rate of roughly 100 million units every 6-7 months. It says that in under a year, Windows 8 computers have outsold every mac OS computer sold in Apple’s entire history. It says that every electronics show in the last year has announced more and more Windows 8 hardware. It says that sales last quarter jumped. It says that the windows 8 store has nearly 200,000 apps, compared to the OSX store’s 18,000. It says that Windows 8 devices are now shipping in devices as small as 8″ for under $200, with 7″ devices announced and forthcoming for as low as $100.

    It also says that trolls like you have been claiming the film of every version of Windows since at least 1.x. People hated Windows 95 and the start menu. People hated Windows XP and it’s NT underpinnings. People hated XP SP2’s dramatic security redesign.

    But you know what? They adapted, and they reaped the benefits of the new systems and their flexibility or security enhancements and new security models.

    You’re not only wrong, but woefully ignorant of the history of this industry.

  128. It’s actually about 4% in the united states, and we’ll into the double digits in Europe and parts of south America and Asia. Windows phone 8, in fact, is outselling iPhone in 24 countries.

  129. I’ve worked in corporate IT for roughly two decades. Your statements are pure dishonesty or ignorance. There is nothing Windows 7 offers that 8 does not when it comes to software engineering and development. Any programming SDK that runs on 7 runs on 8. Any engineering software that runs on 7 runs in 8. Any design software that runs on 7, runs on 8.

    Don’t suit there and tell a systems engineer what Windows 8 lacks for engineers. You’re wrong.

  130. Oh yes I did, here’s how : You delete it from your phone after installing another browser first, no problem. but you can’t do that with a laptop or desktop in that case use another browser and never use Internet explorer unless you reinstall the operating system.

  131. Another BS story from Jason – Microsoft is NOT on the right track..The data is conclusive…Windows 8 is a complete and absolute FAILURE. This is not make is the hard FACTS. So Jason..get your head out of your ass and wake up…

  132. BTW, do you know how much market share a Windows Phone has? 3.3% That is how popular it is as a phone…Microsoft take a clue from your customers who are running and loving Windows 7.

  133. @jasongw:disqus That is pure BS. I work for a major company and Windows 8 is NOT well liked. In fact it is hated. The majority of engineers need a PC to get actual work done..and that is NOT on windows 8, it is on windows 7. There is a reason Ballmer was Fired…it was because of Windows 8. PERIOD.

  134. With HP behind an OS developers will almost definitely get behind it. And Linux doesn’t necessarily have to be #1 in market share. It has all the apps I need and is a complete platform that suits my needs.

  135. You didn’t get rid of internet explorer, particularly on the phone. You CAN’T. But worse, you’ve hobbled the functionality of your devices. That’s not something to be proud of.

  136. Let me tell you about corporate America, boy. I’ve worked there 20 years. Corporate America hates EVERY software upgrade. Why? Because software upgrades cost money. Money for software. Money for training. Money for deployment. Productivity lost due to temporary adjustment periods as users learn to use the new software and, as you do, stand around and bitch a lot rather than adapting and moving forward.

    As for people making comments, I never said anyone didn’t have a right to make a comment. But guess what? So do I. And if I decide my comment is to tell people why their perception of Windows 8 is mistaken, I’ll do so–whether you like it or not.

  137. I have a windows 7 smart phone, a windows 7 laptop and a windows 7 desktop as does my wife we learned to delete the sky drive any and all cloud requirements from all 6 devices. Everything works great and we get all of the updated requirements with no problem, did I mention we also got rid of BING and Internet Explorer to boot. That’s all anyone or business needs for there is enough third party software to pick up any holes in the operating system.

  138. Lots of people like where the PC currently is. And you’re COMPLETELY off base. Want to run vlc for watching movies on windows 8? Nothing is stopping you. Want to foolishly keep all your data stored only locally? Nothing is stopping you. Windows 8 added many capabilities, but took away few, if any, and none when it comes to using third part applications. It remains the single most flexible consumer OS you can get.

    Stop pretending Windows 8 somehow steals your fucking lunch. It doesn’t. All it does is give you MORE options, each of which is own to choice.

  139. Not gonna happen. Metro will become more prevalent. Expect the next desktop to be tremendous metro in design language, and for the start screen and desktop strengths to much more closely integrate with each other as time goes on.

  140. Lol you’re touting Windows 95, one of the worst OS’s Microsoft ever released, as your preference? Thanks, that tells me exactly how little your opinion is worth.

    Incidentally, Windows 8, as of January 2014, had 12
    7% market share to xp’s 22 and falling. Windows 8 will soon pass XP. You can pretend the past is the way things will always be, but you’re wrong.

  141. I’m a systems engineer. I know EXACTLY what I’m talking about. Your USB hard drive is not secure. All it takes is one mechanical or electrical failure, one accidental drop or spill, one thief in your house,one accidental misplace, and your data is gone. What we’ve typically seen happen with data breeches is limited to password and credit card data on public facing retail sites. A problem? Definitely. Less secure than your USB drive? Not by a long shot.

  142. If you actually need to install an OS for them, they are probably so dumb that they don’t know all the crap they do on a Windows PC can be done on a smaller device like a tablet or something.

  143. But nobody likes where the PC “currently is”…we all want our old PC back. And if everybody says that Windows 8 isn’t a PC OS, what else do we have to judge based on, other than the ads of some company? What if I want my data stored on my hard drive which I bought for $100 and can use for as long as I want instead of having to pay some stupid subscription? WHAT IF I WANT TO WATCH MY MOVIES IN VLC PLAYER INSTEAD OF SOME RETARD SPAWN OF A WEB BROWSER?!?!

  144. Yes, because having a different viewpoint based on almost 20 years experience means paid shill, right, troll?

    At one time, Microsoft also kept their mobile and desktop OS’s separate. For 13+ years, in fact. Long before Apple even HAD a mobile OS. The simple truth is this: Apple is behind the technology curve. Moreover, because IOS devices are their bread and butter, they have a vested interest in keeping their OS’s separate, with a goal of selling you two or more devices instead of just one.

    Finally, a more successful business than Microsoft? Lol. In 30 years, Apple has sold as many Mac OS PCs as Microsoft sold *Last year alone*. Where is Apple’s server presence? Nonexistent. What does their cloud service run on? Microsoft Azure and Amazon cloud services.

    Apple’s success right now rides primarily on two things: IPhone and iPad. IPod is all but dead, and iPad sales are shrinking in the face of competition from google and Microsoft, both of whom now offer tablets with more functionality for less money.

  145. You don’t know what you are talking about. I rather be responsible for the security of my system than trust some cloud based system. Some of the largest companies on the internet have been violated already. Ebay most recently was violated. You would think Ebay would have top notch security. My security is simple. I keep all important data on a usb hard drive which I mount dismount as I need the information.

  146. You behave like a paid microsft shill. Why does Apple with a market cap far higher than Microsoft and a more successful business still separate their tablet and phone OS from their laptop/desktop?

  147. Go sell your love of Win8 to people who care about Win8 which isn’t many people!

    Corporate America generally HATES Win8 for various reasons!

    Also, DON’T tell people why they should love or hate something!
    Everyone has the right to make comments.

  148. Sorry Jim, but the gazillions o servers, desktop and laptops are where the money is in this industry. They are are the machines that work for a living every all around this world. I hold tablets and smartphones up astys that were a spin-off of this computer technology.

  149. I’ll reserve judgement on this Windows 9 situation until it’s apparent whether or not you can stay completely disconnected rm any of this cloud crap. Hanging all of your data; and even your OS; will be just too tempting for the creeps (hackers) of this world and I’m not about to get involved in anything like that.

    If my OS and my data can “live” on my machine; and I can still install MS Office 2007 Pro Plus to keep things right here at home, well, I might consider Windows 9. If not… no thanks.

    When Widows 8.1 showed up unannounced, it took quite a bit of work to deflate it to the point where it could emulate Windows 7 Ultimate with any reliability. This would be the only other option that I might entertain upon the arrival of Windows 9.

    If that is not possible then I will just “wipe” Windows 9 from the HDD and replace it with a fresh install of Windows 7 Ultimate. At the time that may become impossible, it’s off to Linux.

  150. I haven’t had Win8/8.1 that long. I would hate to have to PAY for Win9. Let’s hope it’s free to Win8/8.1 users. I remember Vista users got scr3wed. If this happens to WIn8/8.1 users, then it could be the last straw for me.

  151. I’ve had ever MS OS (except Vista) since the early DOS days. I love Win 8. It was a bit of a learning curve but worth it. Seems to me the most boisterous complaints are from the media & folks who don’t have the time or the brains to learn something new. Adapt or die!

  152. Windows [insert version number here] to Be Central Part Of New Microsoft Strategy. Ok, so when was it that Windows wasn’t a central part of MS strategy?

  153. Yes! Everything we hated about Windows 8 will be fixed by making it Voice-Operating System!
    The whole idea makes me speechless.

  154. Actually yes, 12.6% in just over a year and a half is pretty damned successful. By your logic, Apple is a COMPLETE failure, as they’ve only managed to break 7% in their entire 30+ year history of Mac OS. Moreover, the question of Windows XP is irrelevant–it was available as a buyable OS for a *dozen* years. It’d be more surprising if it *didn’t* still have significant market share, especially after the Vista debacle, which only encouraged people to stay put on XP until 7 came around.
    Also, come on: no, open office and libre office do not do everything MS office does. They’re perfectly fine for entry level usage, but they’re nowhere near as capable or as ubiquitous as MS office. Worse, they continue to stick to a visual design language that died nearly a decade ago.
    Moreover, if you think that those free apps for video and photo editing in any way compare to the top shelf offerings from Adobe, Autodesk, etc., you’re sadly mistaken. Those are all good apps, and fine for entry level usage, but they simply do not have the broad capabilities of big name apps.
    Linux, of course, has a good standing in the server community, which is where its skills really shine. It’s fairly lean (depending on distro, of course) and can handle tasks like routing, basic email, web serving, file and print sharing, etc, with aplomb, usually for free upfront (though the maintenance costs tend to be higher than Windows due to the lack of support and documentation). It’s a good choice for certain tasks, but it’s also a more expensive proposition if you’re doing anything sophisticated.

  155. I’ve also been a systems engineer since before the internet became so huge, but I think you’re misreading the market. First, PC’s won’t die out any time soon. Rather, they will continue to do what they’ve always done: evolve with the technology. Right now, the technology is evolving towards touch centric UI’s and small apps with specific purposes that are easy to update. That’s where Windows is going, and will continue to go. Moreover, mobile processors from Intel have reached a point where they are so powerful even in their mobile forms, they’re good enough for 90% of the tasks the average person uses them for.
    Look at Surface Pro 2 and 3. Both uses Intel i5 CPU’s that are true dual core with hyperthreading and up to 8GB RAM. I personally use a Pro 2 with 8GB/256GB, and it easily handles every task a systems engineer would do with it, hands down. It also handles up to 4K video editing just fine (and I’ve done it, I know from first hand experience this is a fact; after 17 years in IT, I went back to school to study film writing at UCLA, which includes working with Adobe Premiere, After Effects, Photoshop, etc, all of which the device handles with aplomb). These are devices weighing 2 pounds or less, yet they’re doing jobs that required a full blown desktop PC just a few short years ago.
    Lots of organizations are now looking to hybrid devices such as Surface Pro and similar units from Lenovo, HP, etc. Why? Simple: because with a single device that’s easy to integrate into an existing Active Directory infrastructure, they can expand their capabilities and get the best of both worlds in a single device.
    PC’s will not die as a result of tablets. PC’s are *becoming* tablets.

  156. Windows 8 has about 12.6% market share of desktop and laptop systems, as of last month. Even Windows XP still has twice the market share of Windows 8. If you think that’s successful then I’ve got a Windows phone to sell you.

    BTW, I do use Linux for my primary desktop system and two servers. I use Windows 7 on my laptop. App support from industry major players? Don’t need it. Open Office and Libre Office do everything that Microsoft Office does, and they’re free. Graphics editing, video editing, audio editing, engineering tools, whatever I need is available, high quality, frequently updated, and free.

    Also, Linux has 38% of the internet server market, compared to Microsoft’s 32%.

  157. Not everyone wants a single-platform OS On their beefy computer, *Cough Cough windows 8*, and windows XP still has a larger market share, at 27.3% compared to 6.5% Windows 8. JasonGW, stop with the pro-Microsoft stuff, it isn’t true. Nobody Likes the tiles unless on a tablet! TAKE IT OFF DESKTOP!! Alot said, Im done with microsoft from now on. I use Windows 95 Compaq Prescario 4825, 98 Compaq, 2K Dell Optiplex gx260, XP Dell Latitude C600, Vista Dell Latitude E6500, 7 Dell Workstation 380. I work on computers BTW.

  158. Jason, the only thing that makes PCs outdated is the fact people use tablets to surf the net. Period. It is true that PC’s ownership has declined because of tablets but tablets do not have anywhere near the processing power of a PC. Period. I do not know of any professional organization that has ditched PC’s for tablets, although some niche jobs have, and there is a reason.

    I have worked in IT for 25 years and am a systems engineer. I was brought up before the .COM era and have seen pretty much everything. PC’s will die but not because of invasive tablets.

  159. Sorry, THINKING it’s #1 does not make it so. And no, HP is not going to abandon Windows. And though, yes, Chromebooks have stepped things up a bit, they’re still only around 2% of the market. Still up from a year ago, when they were around 0.5% though.

    See, releasing an OS, by itself, means nothing. OS’s aren’t what sell systems, applications are. Why do you think Windows still has over 90% marketshare? Simple: because it has the biggest range of applications, hands down, of any OS anywhere in the world. It can do things out of the box that most other OS’s cannot, and for corporate environments that’s an important fact, but for the majority of users, it’s about what you can DO with the system. Nothing tops Windows in that regard.

  160. I stopped reading at the statement, windows 9 will focus on in the cloud applications. This whole *in the cloud* thing needs to go as far as I am concerned. I am not in the least interested in cloud apps, or storing my personal info online on those in the cloud servers or what ever they are. Shoot me if I am wrong, but in the day and age of not being able to protect your personal info enough, they want me to rely on the cloud and it`s protection of my personal info, and it is going to be a nightmare when someone creates an exploit for the cloud, if it has not already been done, and I am not going to be one of those being exploited. There is already way too much info about each and every one of us online, being mined or exploited, there is no possible way I will ever trust something, or some entity enough to use the “Cloud”

  161. I think it’s #1 so that counts for me. Oh and HP is developing their own OS and ditching Windows ASAP. And Chromebooks are selling pretty well. I wouldn’t be surprised if it has a 5% market share right now, and even more so when HP releases their OS.

  162. They don’t. Neither does Microsoft. EVER. Not one person has ever had the threat of physical violence compel them to buy a Windows computer by Microsoft’s hand, *ever*. People use “forced” to mean “I didn’t wanna change, but the world changed without me, whaaaa!”
    Change is a fact of life. Either deal with it or STFU :).

  163. Typical disingenuous statement from the Linux troll. Android IS NOT LINUX. It uses a Linux kernel and that’s about it–it’s not compatible with ANY major linux distribution’s apps.
    Moreover, the vast majority of those Android sales (and I like Android, it’s a decent OS, even if the UI is a little…archaic) were on budget, low end devices that can barely run it worth a damn.
    Linux as a *desktop* operating system is dead in the water. It will never, EVER be mainstream. 20 years ago, when I first started working in IT, I was convinced it would ascend to prominence in a few short years. It didn’t. It still hasn’t. It’s not going to.

  164. Actually, cloud systems are generally far LESS vulnerable than desktop systems. The worst security problems on a desktop are caused by idiot end users installing spyware or malware blindly, thinking they’re getting some kind of new toy software (wallpapers, games, etc). It is further NOT the case that everyone at the company can look at your data; the servers the cloud services run on are encrypted and fault tolerant.
    Moreover, no one except Google has built an OS that doesn’t work if the internet connection goes down. Windows 8 still works just fine, cloud or no cloud. It simply works BETTER with the cloud.

  165. It’s not only the vulnerability of cloud, it’s the other issues…
    1… Cloud requires that the Internet is always on… A little difficult if you’re at the cottage a 100 miles from an ISP….
    2… A laptop or tablet will work in power failure at least until the battery dies. The “Cloud” dies as soon as the power goes off.
    3… Anyone on capped Internet will end up using huge amounts of their bandwidth cap and probably end up paying a small fortune if they go over, or get cut off until the next billing cycle…
    4… Hard drives are really cheap… It’s easy to add terabytes of drive space for far less than paying for “cloud” storage… A lot of new routers allow you to access your files over the Internet if you must get to them…
    5… Are you going to store your sensitive stuff on someone else’s servers? Perhaps those nude pics of your wife… Try telling her you’re storing her pics on the Internet.

  166. Nonsense. I switched from a Macbook Pro and iPad combo to a Surface Pro with Windows 8.1, and it’s fantastic. Better in every way than that overpriced garbage I wasted my money on from Apple :).

  167. Because you’re a relic, stuck in the past.
    The way forward is unification. People like you won’t stop that any more than people like you forced the world to go back to Windows 3.1’s UI when everyone hated the Start Menu, or go back to the keyboard because everyone hated the mouse.

  168. Nope. I’ve migrated over 1,000 clients to Windows 8 devices over the last year, mostly from Windows XP and 7 clients, though a few hundred from Mac OSX as well. All of them LOVE 8. The key is simple: the person migrating the user needs to EDUCATE the user on how to make the new system do what they want it to do. That’s all–it isn’t complicated.
    Also, Windows 8 is actually VERY well supported in the gaming community. 99% of games that run on 7, run on 8, often better.

  169. No, Microsoft is on the right track. What we need is a single, well supported ecosystem that lets us get work done regardless of which device is in front of us.
    Windows 8 was a critical, though imperfect, step in the right direction. Each update has only made it better.

  170. Microsoft didn’t force anyone to do anything. People on XP, stuck in the past, can continue to bury the heads in the sand until their PC’s eventually wear out. Nothing is stopping them.

  171. What you’re saying is that you want a PC that works like PC’s worked in the past. You’re not going to get it. Microsoft is doing the right thing with Windows: creating a single, unified ecosystem where interfaces are familiar across all devices, data is stored in the cloud and accessible across all devices, and where developers can write one app and target the phone, desktop, laptop AND tablet.
    That’s where the industry is going, and it’s not going to turn around just because a few people don’t want to learn a few new tricks.

  172. While I agree with many of your sentiments, they’re fast becoming outdated. The new Surface Pro 2 and 3, for example, are every bit as powerful as 99% of the laptops you can buy from any vendor, and more powerful than pretty much the entire low end budget range. Not as powerful as desktops, to be sure, but you don’t need desktop power to do write term papers.

    Also, though, you can definitely write a significant portion of a term paper on a smartphone these days. I’ve done it, and recently. :p

  173. Let’s see, how do we break this to you…Windows 8, as of 5 months ago, had sold over 200 million copies in just shy of ONE year. That’s more than Mac OS based computers have sold in *30 years*. The most recent quarterly reports show PC sales up. PC’s running what? Oh, yes: Windows 8.
    Microsoft building a single OS experience for all devices is on the right track, and despite the FUD of this article, they won’t be abandoning their new direction.
    Oh, and no, you won’t switch to Linux. You know why? No app support from the industry’s major players. I made the same absurd statement 20 years ago, and you know what? Linux has about the same marketshare now as it did then: less than 2%.

  174. MS needs to give the boot to their kiddie wanna be think they are developers and put their older more experienced developers back to building OS. They know and understand the top share of their market are your regular everyday pc users.

    I don’t own a smart phone, nor a tablet and I have no plans to ever buy either, The Cloud is a mess and another failure as far as I’m concerned
    Technology has not caught up with their dumb a** wannabe think they can change the world with one click minds, not going to happen.

  175. You are fool for the hustle they pulled the same crap with windows ME and Vista they purposely make a crappy os to make us want the next one.

  176. Oh god please no more useless opperating systems, dont tell me they will
    be able to browse the web, play games use “WORD” and all the software
    we already are able to use now. Exept they will change the code around
    to force us to buy this just to do what we are already doding!

    64 bit is the key here, the has been the only major real requirement for needing to upgrade your operating system!

    XP limits you at 4 gigs ram and so much hard drive space

    64 bit take you 32 gigs, faster movement of data

    BUT most software does even use 64 bit technology

    So why keep buying operating systems?

    They say because of security, I think they are the main hackers myself!

    Look hackers will always find a way.


    and they know it

  177. Oh god please no more useless operating systems, don’t tell me they will be able to browse the web, play games use “WORD” and all the software we already are able to use now. Exept they will change the code around to force us to buy this just to do what we are already doing!

    64 bit is the key here, the has been the only major real requirement for needing to upgrade your operating system!

    XP limits you at 4 gigs ram and so much hard drive space

    64 bit take you 32 gigs, faster movement of data

    BUT most software does even use 64 bit technology

    So why keep buying operating systems?
    They say because of security,look hackers always find a way, stay off of hack sites and you will be ok.

  178. If they are going for cloud software, then I will just stay with Windows 7. Don’t want cloud anything. It’s unreliable, it’s easily hacked and who’d want their stuff where anyone working there can look at it? I’ve already gone all 18 rounds with Amazon over this and they admitted it at the end. OneDrive/SkyDrive is the same. So is DropBox and any other cloud storage. You lose your internet connection and your computer is toast. SO why bother? As someone else said…Microsoft…Your fired!

  179. I got news for you pal, I have an Alcatel one touch Fierce smartphone but I would never choose a smart phone over a PC for the internet. It’s so much easier for me to use a mouse and keyboard to access internet than from a smartphone. They are slow and clumsy. Plus if you need to do research, copy and paste information, do reports, graphic designs, a smart phone is totally useless for these operations. A college student would never be able to write a term paper on a smart phone. Oh, and I’d still take a PC over a tablet as well. So much more powerful.

  180. Anyone that confuses Windows 7 with that thing called Windows 8 must be blind…literally. They are nothing remotely alike.

  181. So, with Windows 8 they make one horrible piece of software for every market but this time around they are going to make 5 versions yet will still “unify the Windows platform across all devices.”
    My PC does not need to be unified with my smart phone, tablet or video game system. In fact, I don’t own a damn Windows anything other than PC/Laptop and odds are I never will since MS cant see to make a product focused on those other markets. Android and even IOS does mobile far better than Windows because those OSs were designed for mobile use.

    When you try to make a PC like a tablet, the PC loses and when you try the reverse, the tablet loses. I don’t own a tablet for PC features and I sure as hell don’t want PC features on my tablet. I bought them for very different reasons.

  182. I’m concerned that the ‘cloud’ and voice command focus in recent years is because Microsoft (and many others) may possibly want a surveillance focused operating system to allow them to steal en masse – intellectual accomplishments, innovations, trade secrets, patents in progress, discoveries, new theories, etc., engage in insider trading, have extreme control/power such as by blackmail – esp. those in power, and a multitude of other motivations for extreme surveillance and access, one example being controlling and filtering by way of surveillance forms of communications, examples including: news, data, records, forums, etc. All done under the guises of ‘features’ ‘accessibility’ ‘ease of use’ ‘marketing purposes’ etc.

  183. I was excited about Windows 9 hopefully correcting Windows 8 mistakes. Now not so much. “Looking to unify the Windows platform across all devices” really worries me. I am a desktop PC user. I don’t do smartphones. Or tablets. Or any other device. I don’t need clouds or voice commands making things more complicated. I just want a PC that works like a PC. If I knew how to switch to a Linux OS, I would do so. If I wanted a tablet OS, I would buy a tablet. Microsoft really needs to get a clue.

  184. Darn MS should created 2, yes 2, separate OS’s: 1) Desktop/laptops and 2) tablets/smartphones. It better be interchangeable in it’s operation and file transfers.

    Tablet/phone users have different needs than PC users. All extensive work still requires the power and versatility of a PC not a tablet/phone. THIS is where MS F#CKED up when it merge the functionalities together to make Win8.x which should NEVER have become a PC OS since it was really meant for a tablet and then the smartphone!

    Give the public more reasons to hate you, Microsoft!!

    Give the public what we NEED to do our work Instead of what YOU THINK the public needs… 2 separate OS’s!

  185. Microsoft are such knuckle heads, They get rid of XP, Forced people with older computers to purchase new ones. They (the people) buy with the new 8.1 and now it will be thrown to the side and force these people to buy new operating systems. I think at this point people should just buy a mac ad call it a day. Not a very good way to give great customer service.

  186. Voice operation? Yeah, that ought to go over big in cube farm office environments.

    Listen up, Microsoft. The casual users have abandoned desktop operating systems for mobile operating systems. That’s NOT a bad thing! Those people were only buying desktops and laptops before because those were the only practical platforms for accessing and using the internet. Those people never really NEEDED the capabilities of a full blown desktop OS.

    However, your core audience for a desktop Windows OS is still here. We still need a full OS for engineering, software development, creative work, and everyday office stuff. When you release a new desktop OS please focus on the people who actually NEED a desktop OS, and stop trying to merge in features we don’t need and that make the OS more difficult for us to use. Windows 8 was an ugly cross-breed that should have been aborted. Don’t do that again or we’re all switching to Linux.

  187. Really because everyone I know still goes home to a windows 7 laptop to do things that a phone and tablet still don’t do well. If they have windows 8 they wish they had windows 7 back. The powerful windows desktop is still wanted by the people and say what you will but windows 8 but it is not supported well in the gaming community.

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